Let's Play: Wing Commander 25th Anniversary Livestream

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   30 seconds are we on hi everybody hey uh welcome to the wing Commander 25th anniversary live stream uh hosted by Wing Commander Super Fan extraordinaire Mr Ben Lesnik and his little buddy me Jared aabby hi you don't get to be the little buddy often do you no I don't get to be the little buddy often but look at this look at this look at our look at our blue hair yeah in honor of uh colel blue hair we uh have uh given ourselves blue hair and we'll go here for now yes cuz I keep looking the wrong way y all right um welcome it has been exactly 25 years since the release of the original Wing Commander um which is a very very long time uh and

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   we didn't want this day to go uh unby unnoticed uh I figured hey I'd play I'd play the game for everybody uh that's is the style of the times and since then it's gotten a little more complex thanks to uh Mr Huckaby here you can see we actually in the briefing room with uh Colonel house on here and uh uh we're going to have a good time we're going to play uh we're going to play to the original win Commander um we're going to take breaks to chat about the the history of it we've got uh all sorts of toys and stuff to show off at various points um we uh just going to be a lot of wing Commander for as long as we can hold out um uh standard play through of the original wiek Comm is 18 missions um I think as our rule for this we will replay missions if we fail them um rather than going on the losing path

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   um which means you know we we're going to save that valari hopefully after like 50 tries we might just go to rosov instead but uh we're gonna we're going to try like heck to uh save it um if you have no idea who we are um my name is Ben Lesnik I'm uh director of community engagement uh and some other things at uh Cloud Imperium games working for uh Wing Commander's original Creator Chris Roberts um I'm here because of my love for Wing commander and uh I'm pretty excited to do this um Jared is U my community manager uh and uh he likes doing idiotic things so here he is with me we're also going to have some special guests um we have uh some folks involved in the game and the

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   fandom uh scheduled to come by and talk on Skype a little bit later um really excited yep and uh yeah we have uh blue hair yes that that's also a thing cuz on uh our other weekly live stream reverse to verse somebody challenged me to dye my hair and I had a really bad idea on the spot and thank you Ben for not allowing me to do it alone no I've always wanted to have Colonel Blair blue hair and no one would ever let me so hooray also thanks for my wife who's back there Alexis she's very small in the background say hi wife hello she's Keeper of the wing Commander stash look at the wing Commander stash we we we fig we'd pile up a bunch of copies of wing Commander there um we

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   have even more I brought a copy of every different port they did we'll we'll take a break and walk through the history of wing Commander ports at one point um and if you're not excited about that you're normal I don't know what's wrong with you uh and of course at various points during the stream this will be a very long stream it's a long stream I should oh I should have called the 25th anniversary a long stream because that's going to be very long I missed it I'm not the pun guy that's him uh we will be giving away Star Citizen spaceship shs we won't tell you when we won't tell you what until the time comes so you'll just have to watch and suffer through with me we've got St spaceships I've got a couple copies of the original Wing commander on GG that we can give out also um and a few claw marks a copies of claw marks here um uh including one

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   signed by Aaron Alon so uh we will give that away also Co um how should we start this thing uh I don't know let's we've got a we've got a number of of need tricks here want let see if this all works out all right uh in typical fashion we didn't get much chance to test most of this but uh let's see this is let's let's see if we can uh let's see if we can join the cockpit of a of a r beer okay let's see if that works oh very cool this working is this working you see me this this is the Jared camera by the way and um that's the B camera when when I first saw this uh this screen here I was genely bothered because you're you're clearly in a rap you're moving forward but the speed is set to Zer KPS and the real speed is z KPS so what what's going on

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   there I'm not a miracle worker yes you are it's not supposed to do that yeah yeah go oh and postes you're also hello um yeah our lawyer and friend our lawyer and friend so Wing Commander what what the hell is Wing Commander uh to my mind Wing Commander is the game that changed the industry um Wing Commander before Wing Commander people built games in their garages it was Tiny teams you know a a programmer and an artist putting something together together um wi Commander kind of premiered the modern big budget game design process

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    uh you know with producers cracking the Whip and a million pieces that have to fall into place um it pushed the limits of uh computer hardware before Wing Commander you bought a computer to uh you know play with spreadsheets and do work uh whatever kind of work they needed to do in the 80s and for the computer with wing Commander this this was the killer app for PC gaming you you bought a PC to play Wing Commander to show off Wi Commander to your friends um creative labs uh who created the uh Sound Blaster uh credits uh wi Commander 2 uh with the uh the fact that their uh Speech synthesis FM speech synthesis became industry standard um so many people wanted that in their version of wing Commander that they uh they stopped using adlib cards and rolling cards and

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    all those things and made uh made it the standard it it it changed the face of gaming um it's also an incredible game it's uh it's very much it everyone's fantasy as a young boy you know I want to live in Star Wars I want to play Star Wars I want to I want to do Star Wars but actually fly the X-Wing and make choices and uh it uh it delivers on that promise very very well um if you're familiar with cff Robert's work it is uh just absolutely immersive gameplay uh you know it's kind of the gold standard for bring people into a game and before Wing Commander you know you you take take aead and it tells you you are 7% damaged wi Commander replaced that with oh parts of the cockpit

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    exploding and uh you know when when you moved to dra your joystick you saw the joystick on screen move um it it brought people into a game into the game in a way that companies didn't spend Design Energy or money on before this um and it it challenged everybody else to do better um it uh and of course it led us to where we are right now it uh made space sims the most popular game genre on the PC for a number of years and uh now we're bringing them back here at CL Imperium so we're we're quite fond of wing Commander um keep talking I'm fixing something all right well let me let me ask you did you get that video I sent you last night the uh demo video was it after I went to sleep

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    possibly it was it was an email oh then no okay well um we were going to play the video of the the original comex demo no I'll get it keep talking all U it's on it's on YouTube uh I wanted to show you the first look that people had at wink better if you were watching the stream before this you saw a car that was like classified uh coming 1990 uh that was the first advertisement for Wing Commander it appeared in uh origin cataloges included in games in 1989 um Omega bad C's previous game Bad Blood uh and so on would have had that add it didn't say what the game was or anything Beyond you know future of space gaming um I I don't know that anyone particularly remembers that ad but I thought it was an interesting bit of trivia um what we're going to show you

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    now is uh the fem minute comex demo of wing Commander this was how it was unveiled to the world the summer before it came out um we might had about an 18-month development cycle starting in uh early 1989 um initially it was uh Chris Roberts doing a prototype by himself much like Star Citizen uh back in those days a company companies didn't have you know on staff artists on staff designers on staff programmers even on staff uh creative uh Chris wasn't an employee of origin he he had an office there and he could pitch products to the company and if they liked him if they like them he could use they would budget him to create them um his first game was called game called uh time of times of lore which was a huge hit it was uh an RPG in the vein of Al but with some of Chris's uh emerging

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    touches um his second game was uh a title called Bad Blood which was uh very much like wastelander Fallout uh in setting it was actually more of an action game which origin was not known for um it's it's a fine game it has all those Chris Roberts touches but it does not it was not a hit at the time because uh back then origin was the RPG company uh Richard Garett had created the ultimate series it was the biggest thing in the world to that point um and everything or origin did was kind of a variant of that um you know here's Ultima but with Dinosaurs here's here's Ultima but uh in the Mystic Far East and so on um and bad bad blood tried to change that being an action game um it

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    it did not kind of make it the way that Wing commander and Times of L did but uh fine game uh I forget where I started we're ready to show it when you were um and I will also say that uh gaming at the time was before wi Commander G PC gaming was kind of a hobbyist thing uh games were made by the same at least in origin games were made by the same people who did pen and paper games uh you had a lot of crossover between like Steve Jackson and uh origin pen and paper Gamers would come and they would design PC games and they would be B the same audience U it's one of the reasons that games came in these large boxes they they were very similar to uh the box that like a D and D would have come in uh anyway um so when wi also changed that um anyway uh summer 1990

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    this was the demo that Chris showed at comex got uh a heck of a lot of interest in the game um back then you had to literally go out and sell your game to Distributors you had to travel to you know Kmart's headquarters and convinced them to stock 50,000 units of wing commander and w actually it probably works the same way today it doesn't for us here cuz we're crowdfunded but uh there there was a lot more foot traffic then origin had sales people whose job was to travel around the country and convince people to pre-order their games um good companies do that and this was uh this was the demo they put together uh today we would call this a trailer uh it was a demo back then you it came on two discs they handed it out to people um if you'd like to play with the assets they're available at wcw.com in the file section and and uh let's play this uh it's about

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    5 minutes long it's uh and see we're still down here so you can still talk let's this let's see if this works there was no speeching games at the time so this is all uh uh it's all going to be reading I hope you like to read should have had that as a requirement before we started the stream you notice that's a different logo for the uh what came to be known as origin FX they're graphic system in a thousand years the Empire of KRA never met a race it couldn't conquer probably notice the bdus are different uh the salty is called a dry

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    your Hornet uh does not look like a hornet there there was nothing like this at the time people until it me man oh this is so Chris Roberts uh there was nothing like this at the time this this blew people at the trade show away uh didn't think this was possible with a PC we don't we don't have to maintain a

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    respectful silence for that matter one demo I'm actually just watching look look at all the detail um this is a hornet by the way the uh same uh lineage as the Hornet clone and Star Citizen there's a properly labeled salty um as I mentioned the uh game pushed the boundaries of Technology um your average computer owner at the time had something like an 88 6 or 888 uh if they own a PC at all um Wing

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    Commander required a 286 and it still ran slow as molasses on like a 2862 um this was a game that really wanted to have a 38620 38633 uh which was unheard of at the um but it was a hobbyist market People PC Gamers have always uh since then anyway have built their machines to match Chris's games uh which is still happening we're happy to report is this why the first Hornet for Star season was green yes uh the Hornet Star season uh started out its life in a

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    very very very different shape as the part of a wing Commander pitch bring back Wing Commander convince EA we should do this um that didn't work out and uh we're all the better for it I suppose that was supposed to kind of be simulating a tyal win Commander Mission you get to see all the uh there was just nothing like then you know depending on how much damage your ship takes it would it would appear right here in the landing uh who Could That hero be blue hair oh but the the minimum safe speed

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    for asteroids is 250 KPS you're flying 400 what are you doing demo guy I like the ability to completely turn your head 180° look behind you now it's a cramp uh actually you this is a stageing game development that we often see here it's temp asset they don't have all the vdu things drawn yet so every ship shows up with the same salty graphic that wolf has uh wolf has text me to remind me that if you did not have enough memory uh RAM you would not get all the effects like you wouldn't see the stick or you wouldn't see the faces of your ringman that's that's true um you there were uh there's actually an

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    EEG version of main Commander you could play if you didn't have the uh Graphics to run this um and yeah if you didn't have enough expanded memory it would uh reduce the graphical features that was uh that was the original demo that sold this thing to the masses um maybe it doesn't look like much today but that uh that was something special uh wi began its life in early 1999 is a proposal called Squadron um if you have that folder I sent you we uh guys you're going to show you a PDF of some text right now oh a PDF F yep uh not that one that one give me a second we'll go back to the this is Chris Robert's original pitch for S Squadron which was what was

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    called the time uh outlines everything he it was 12 Pages it outlines everything he wanted to do with it game um sells the heck out of it to the management at origin and um it's interesting it's it's a little bit more adult than win ended up being in in this pitch it's not the uh Braven Noble Teran Confederation it's the uh the tan Empire and there's all these gray areas you know maybe their war against the krath he isn't quite Justified um they know a lot of that came out in the wash as the game story came along they they brought it back a little bit in uh like when Commander 4 and of course in Star Citizen we kind of revisit a lot of that we go back to the uh the Empire of questionable motives in our setting um this uh is available on uh de

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    news.com or if you have the Go version of wing Commander it's one of the extras that comes in the package um back before I was a Star Citizen guy I help put that together uh one of the best things about the version on GG is is if you look at the scan um you'll see one of the pages has weird stains on it um which uh I I I took the photo of that page which was missing from the initial scan we did and uh it was from the uh University of Texas's video game archive Library where they had a copy stored uh put there by George Fatman Sanger the guy who did the music for this game one of the two guys and uh there was a note a note along with it that the uh the brown stain on some pages was feret P so if you have

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    this from Gog you have legitimate origin systems feret P scanned okay um so that that that was what started off Wing Commander um if you check out ATV this last week Chris talks a little bit about the early days um he he did you know all the coding at the start um a lot along with uh at first one artist Dennis Le Bay who hopefully we're going to talk to a little bit later and uh then kind of the team kind of gradually gradually grew larger and larger as uh as it got more and more support um I will also note you want to show that show that one uh this is the original press release um it has some of the concept art they do for the game the sketches uh you also note that the name of the game

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    here is zooming Wing leader uh the game was Wing leader almost all the way to release until legal found an issue with that there was some other company owned the own the name or had used it recently I don't understand how legal things work and we don't have a fancy lawyer here uh or he would tell us uh I don't know that history trademarks trademarks are a problem sometimes yeah so this was the original logo you'll see it in a lot of early magazine screenshots um I think we got a color one in that folder hold on let me look for a color one this is what I got it's the last five this the last one yeah that's that One Wing leader that was scammed by Joe

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    G ory Museum who will also hopefully be talking to a little bit later he uh makes uh makes quite a he has quite a collection um all right so uh wi Commander went from idea to uh real game that came out 25 years ago I thought we would kick off this process by doing uh another very popular thing these days an unboxing oh unboxing hold on yeah we need that camera for unboxing I have here a sealed copy of the original win Commander original release um there there are three versions of this by the way uh there's four different types of discs uh 3 and 1/2 in low density 3 and 1/2 in high density 5

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    and A4 high density 5 and a/ qu low density um I don't think the 5 and a/ qu low density ever shipped you had to write to origin to get them um there's three different versions of the box also there's a plain one that was signed by Chris Roberts in the corner that was the special one you could order from origin uh it had no sticker on the front and it came with the first secret missions disc and uh the wing Commander flight cap they're begging you in chat not to open it don't worry I've got plenty of them I think it's it's good to open one every 25 years do you see our collection look at the collection we've got plenty well I say we it's the Royal we it's him he's got plenty by the way this is this is one of the rarest bits of production wi command memorabilia you can get the win Commander flight cap advertised as such in the uh the catalogs inserts I'm not

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    going to wear it cuz my hair is recently died blue and I don't want to ruin my win flight cap also my head is Giant and won't fit but here's here's here's Wing Commander uh oh so that there would have been uh two other versions one that said special promotional Edition in our sticker uh no one I've ever spoken to can tell me what that means because all of the first run of the games say that um it's just the ordinary game uh it makes for funny eBay auctions sometimes though because you'll see like $5,000 the special promotional edition of win Commander um and that's all of them every copy um there was a second run that had an award sticker once it it got all sorts of game of the year Awards um this swept awards that Year by the way got a six out of five stars in Dragon magazine it's you know 100%'s everywhere uh it was uh people loved

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    Wing Commander some people still do so um original Wing Commander we're going to unbox this don't worry it's it's not that rare um we're there at least one more in the office right there's like five of them in the other room so don't worry that much don't have a blade or anything do we uh a SC G to sit here going to sit here and watch you fuddle with the plastic for a minute there we go plastic open get another okaya happening win strip te okay let's breed in this 19 to 25y Old air what's 19 '90s smell like Ben like

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    the new kids just like I remember um so here we have sticker stuck on the side okay here we have what was in the box of wing Commander back then um origin was I'm going to take it all out and put the box down this is what kids today do they watch like surprise this is a wikander surprise egg um so uh Back in the Day origin was known as the company that lavish Care on the actual packaging of the game um every origin game came with what they called a trinket uh which in Ultimo was like a coin or a bag of runes or some some little item that brought you into the game world uh oh good idea um and then they had these extensive manuals and uh well I'll walk you through it here what

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    they did with wing Commander this I'll show it to the camera sorry I keep seeing my hair is tuck in my eye uh so let see CL here is your uh read this first show I read this first about all the uh various technical issues uh these would have been generated by uh QA at the time um you know here's everything we found that could go wrong here's how to install it because you you did all this at the command line we have a reference card um reference card this is all the uh possible commands in the game uh for what is essentially an arcade game it has a lot of detail dis exchange form as I noted um

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    there were all sorts of different uh disc options at the time uh wi Commander shipped for the PC they promised an A amga version at the time we're going to take a break later to talk about all the ports and I'll tell you the crazy story about why that did not come out then uh that's exciting I know uh and you know if you if you accidentally picked up the three and a quarter and you wanted the five and a five five and quter three and a half I I get the disc maked up um you could swap it for the other one with this uh one and by giving them $20 um here we have the origin catalog for $189.90 um here's here's their game lineup at the time Bad Blood Wing Commander Ultima

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    6 Ultima Savage Empire Ultima times of regular times of something called Tangled tals ultimate Trilogy Ultima 4 Ultima 5 space Rogue which was actually another uh space game that's long forgotten Omega which was a tank fighting game uh wind walker and Knights of Legend Ultima regular times of war no I got mixed up I I thought it was the uh I thought it was the dinosaur one there's H there's Chris Robert's bad blood not to be confused with the recent Taylor Swift song also look look here Chris Roberts is the hottest new name in Game it's got a little picture of him um so catalogs

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    oh and here some genuine Richard garant money don't spend that all in one place um the most interesting I point out about this is that at the time it came out the MSRP for Wing Commander one was $79.95 which uh with inflation would be more than $79.95 which is still a crazy amount to play for a game today um one thing that win Commander did uh which I think very few people know is it helped invent the idea of a budget game uh back Back in the Day games came out they were $80 and uh they had multi-year sell Cycles you would be selling Ultima 3 you know two three four years in a row at full price

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    and people would still pay it um as we enter the 1990s that accelerated the technology started you you started changing computers more quickly game there started to be more competition games uh disappeared from the shelves more quickly origin came up with the idea uh about a year after when command's release to uh put out essentially self- sustaining units that were a budget end cap that a game a game store could buy uh it would be it was a amazing budget price MSRP $49.95 uh for Ultima 6 and Wing Commander about a year year and a half after they came out and they would ship you know a unit of a dozen of each to a store at some discount and it would it would keep the series in public Consciousness uh and that was eventually

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    followed by you know things like EA Classics and all these Bud intentional budget games you had entire companies like software toolworks that popped up to sell cheaper older games uh but win Comm really helped start that that uh that was uh something came out of origin sales department they called them the Bulldogs at the time uh and uh another weird part of game history now we have the discat um this copy of wing Commander is the three and three and a quarter you go three and a quarter uh three and a quar floppy low density uh low density meant it half the capacity of what you think of now as a standard 1.44 megabyte fluffy disc if you think of those at all you probably do not do you think about fluffy discs

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    no I do sometimes um so it came on six discs uh if you had the uh the high density it would have come on three discs uh same for the uh same difference for the two uh the five and a quar the bigger floppier floppies um one of the interesting things about win commet is it was also one of the last games that actually ran off the floppies uh it's hard to remember now but there were once computers that did not have hard drives at all uh you you booted up with a disette and you played whatever was on the disc your word processor was on there your spreadsheet was on there loaded into resident memory and you you did it all in that one session um with games which at many many discs that could be a little bit problematic because you had to switch discs very quickly oh it wants to load a different ship put in

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    dis three oh it has to load the next mission put in dis four um so it was not especially fun to play it without a hard drive but it was possible I think the last origin game that that was true of here's your uh registration card you they always said you could send these in to win stuff I never won anything we should send that in yeah uh whoever owns PO box 61750 and Austin uh would love to get this give that to me I'm going to send this in I'll let you know what happens um ah and here is our insert ad you know they they had a yearly catalog origin and then they would have uh cheaper inserts with the most recent stuff including here's the ad for the official Wing Commander flight cap so that was how you got that

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    hat I'm going to I'm going to send this in too good luck only 10 bucks yeah it's a good f up um so I mentioned trinkets Ultima would come with like an ank or a bag of coins or all sorts of different things there's one thing that just comes with a rock um Origins other games are kind of Forgotten but they also had cool trinkets uh their game autod duel came with a little tool kit um there was a space roog came with like a punch out cardboard spaceship you could build um Wing Commander I went they they discussed a number of different things including you know tiny spaceships uh cards what they set it on blueprints um and these are really really awesome uh you you immediately

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    got brought into the game Universe with this uh some of the detail on that your screen's bigger doesn't have the green lines it's it's cutaway blueprints of the four flyable ships in the game showing you what's inside them um you know pointing out all the geeky technical details it does not matter to the play of the game in the least but man it was cool you you weren't flying a madeup spaceship you were flying your spaceship and you had the proof right here uh we're doing blueprints on Star szen for exactly that reason both as the not of the original and because they are awesome um so you had your Hornet your Scimitar Rapier and Raptor later printings of the game only came with two blue prints and did them back to back um

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    save whatever amount of money that um those are our Blueprints and last but absolutely not least the coolest thing in the universe to this day claw marks the official onboard magazine of the TCS Tigers claw um this is an inworld booklet it's it's the book you would read if your character were a real person on the on the TCS Tigers claw they would get this with you know com link news from the editor and you know they they want to tell you how to play the game but they don't want to you know they don't want to say press see up do whatever they so they put it as a guide to tactics in the in the universe

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    you know this is this is Chris Roberts at his best you know they they would have little there's a timeline of the history of the kathi war to this point that it starts here and it gets expanded on forever um and coolest thing in the universe I keep saying that the artwork the line art of all the different ships um once we're actually playing the game I'll talk a little bit about the ship development staris and fans May uh like to see the TCS Tigers claw it's your home carrier and it is a Bengal class carrier just like the uh the Paul Steed in the Star season demo uh but it's awesome stuff um claw marks has been revised many many times over the years there's there's no one great

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    addition of it uh little bits and pieces get added and removed and changed over the years I could talk about that for hours and later on I will because I have all the other versions of CLA Marks here uh at the Kathy the there's the Kathy Aces you can fight in the game and they pose it as a warning about these guys um CLA marks is available as a PDF at WC news or uh pix's origin Adventures uh by the way if you're interested in this history those two sites will tell you everything you ever wanted to know and more uh WC news.com pix's origin Adventures they've got all the manual scan the books uh the production material it's uh fantastic stuff am I boring people okay this what we're here for uh you know you can see the different ribbons you win they're

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    not in color so it's not an especially useful graphic but uh these your medals uh and of course a map of the Vega sector and now great thing is this this isn't a map of all the places you go in the game it's a map of all the places in this region of space you know 12 of these 13 sorry 13 of these appear in the game the rest of them were just made up to fill out the world uh they they they bring you in right at the beginning and this this here I remember being incredibly scandalous when I was 10 years old like oh my God dancing girls coming to the Tiger Claw but uh tcso show coming we do a lot more immersive manuals now but this this is where it started and with that um let's play wi

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    Commander depending on what time it is cuz we've got a let's play 15 minutes of win Commander we've got a 1:00 uh visitor oh well you I mean you want to just wait till after the visitor no no let's play the the first annual series we watch the intro all right we'll uh where's the box your box out the box yes there you go maybe we give this away later what that said maybe we give this away later yeah absolutely I'm be happy to give that away I think we can afford the shipping on one in fact I I promised to my wife that I would get rid of all my so I'm my goal in the next year is to build a better wiing Commander collection but with just one of each version of the game rather than what's it no no no I volunteered I

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    I would yeah no no no I'm not I'm not throwing you into the bus here thank you okay let's see how this works so who is that working oh we don't see the intro we saw the intro in the video we uh no let's restart the the game so we can see restart the game um for today we are playing the Gog version of win Commander 1 on a modern machine uh we didn't fiddle with too much of the settings to keep it working um this is not a menu that would have existed at the time it would have been just a separate execut you would have typed wc. exe and it would have run um Gog has wi compter one and two in a pack for $6 um that is the bargain of a century go by that now

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    here's our here's our intro uh uh we are using stock Sound Blaster music on this version right now I will tell you that there is a much better way to hear the music which is with the Roland uh uh if you're familiar with midi at all there there's all sorts of different midi standards back then uh it was something called La midi uh before gsgm midi like we kind of use today if we still think about MIDI um Roland they do all the big professional music equipment um they had a line of consumer cards and external devices that game developers in the late ' 80s figured out they could use the samples on to do awesome game music so um if you had the money we're talking you know

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    $700,000 at the time which is even more today you could pick up a special thing that made particular games sound really really cool uh Sierra we can't give this credit to Wing Commander uh Sierra actually started this uh they would actually send out cassettes to people who inquired uh trying to get them to buy buy both the card the la la midi card from them uh to hear the cool music in their games um I actually have with me right here rub this in to show it this is an actual mt32 this was the external version um there's an internal version of this which is a ful length 13-in Isa card but this is this is the external midi it would have plugged into your joystick port and you would have split it off to

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    actually uh attach a joystick also um and it just it it's it has a sound sample bank that just sounded better than anything else at the time um it still works U the other thing about this this is actually one of the two Mt 32s that origin had this is uh bought at auction from an ex origin sound guy um it was likely one of the ones that was used to make wing Commander so uh bit of history there let's uh let's fight some space CS you do with the joystick oh I can do that is that working it's not working I suppose we should have tested that joystick before we connected to the real computer well I I played it when we tested the game earlier so yeah but I did all the rearranging oh okay so hopefully cuz that should be working technical difficulties technical

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    well while he's doing that I will say a few words about joysticks um if you already star sism backer you know that the uh what it say joystick wasn't plant keep an eye um you know that the long Twilight Struggle uh most important thing in the universe is the controller battle between mouse keyboard and uh joystick back in the day we of course had the same battle wi Commander supported all three equally um I've always found Mouse control awkward first time I ever played it was entirely with keyboard I'm still very used to that um Chris Roberts was kind enough to loow me his vkb black mamba joystick we tested that yesterday unfortunately it was a little bit too responsive for wi Commander so we're going with a standard Logitech stick right now um if you have any modern USB stick will work with dosbox um so you don't have to worry about not having that you really got to

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    stop hitting the desk dude oh I'm sorry the mic is on the desk what how am I doing that no no no you keep you keep pounding on the desk sorry um I thought people might like to see what a uh what a joystick and throttle look like back then now I'm not sure where my dryck is gone seen a uh under a mountain of wink better stuff uh this is a thrustmaster flight control system this was the top-of-the-line professional hobbyist stick at the time this is actually the Macintosh version but it is molding is identical to the PC uh it's all plastic it's it's not heavy at all but uh it uh if you had this you were you know

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    this was several hundred you were the ultimate pilot at the time and they also had a uh a throttle a throttle plugged in through both your keyboard port and your uh mini Port acted as an additional AIS for your joystick and uh more buttons that you could program to be shortcuts uh for the game uh six six buttons and a switch and uh back and forth uh we thought this was the coolest thing in the universe I could not afford this when I was a kid but uh now I can all right now that's win command hopefully this is the uh the intro Chris director want to see if it works all right there cool okay um so this is not the original original release because

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    you can see it has the secret missions op there that was the first add-on pack for win Commander talk about that a little bit later let start the game what I'm already playing the game I'm already complete wave one what my ship blew up I don't understand the game's already over uh for my money this is one of the coolest things Chris Roberts ever did um and he's done some cool stuff um you have to it's basically coming up with a reason why you would enter your name in The Game World my last name is you play the keyboard no we're just not okay uh Lesnik and I'm going to fly my call sign Bandit you see when you do lowercase it doesn't match the other people in the high score but uh if you do it in all caps it'll sound weird when the people

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    are talking to you later so um yeah basically it tricks you into entering your name and here we are in the uh Tiger's clock we can talk to the different characters Bell on up friend and take a load off I promise I won't read the whole thing thing he will you put your name right there oh my God he talking to me this was so cool at the time of course this was before we had full speech wi Commander 2 was the one that kind of introduced us to speech if if we had had full if we had the ability to have speech at the time it would have taken you know dozens and dozens and dozens of diset so was before CD ROM was an option here's our tiger calls bartender one interesting bit of trivia about the names um where here I'll let me talk to Paladin here so

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    you there is a script for the bottom that's the literal here's what here's the subtit we put at the bottom and there's another script that tells the game how his mouth moves so his mouth is actually moving to a syllable based script taken from the game script he's trying to make we and if you read it it's it's like a weird moaning thing we were flying uh the best part of this is when it gets to your name I know she will she will ask introduce by you by name it did it didn't have a it didn't you know take into account every possible name so he mouthed the word dipstick when you uh get to the player name watch her do it B Lieutenant you are called dipstick no I am called Angel it's hard not to fall in love with

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    Angel deroy is the coane fighter most seen in this sector 1.4 missiles are required to destroy the seven laser hits necessary destroy the same B wait is is that one and 410 missiles yes one and 4/10 missiles one and 4/10 missiles are necessary and here you can see our our kill score here's the uh Pilots of the Tiger Claw um the Tiger Claw actually has 104 fighters on it this is just your particular Squadron um of course we would have met them all already by reading their pilot bios and claw marks by the time we got here here is is our locker room we can view our Metals I have none right now um see Southwest Airlines heart your Metals your ribbons all your

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    stuff is going to show up right there in the mirror in secret missions too you can actually look at the uh the busty uh Cartoon lady I'm going to save before each Mission so that we can reload when I screw up um I did not go ahead and practice this very much so should be interesting can't you move around with the joystick was that can't you move move around with the joystick oh yeah I can by way here's the first uh first technical arean Wing Commander they say that the ship jumped in 7 hours ago at 0800 but the DAT line for the first mission is 0600 there you go first continuity error in the win Commander series there will be more spirit be flying a standard

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    Patrol your thoughts wander as the commander makes the rest of the assignments you got to read them out loud I'll read them out loud sometimes Squadron dismissed do Parts be blue hair I'll be the committed all right blue hair almost never speaks in this game do not yeah I'll be the commander what's his name Colonel house Colonel houseon all right tonight the part of Colonel houseum will be played by disco Lando all right here we are the Vega sector yeah no ability to turn off the cockpit I can look around left right back turn my head off all the way around

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    back a couple camera angles wait there's a angle that has the what was that with the wing commander in there actually have the wing Commander at the top oh yes this is the uh oh Chase camer the chase camera you can't play the game like this sorry freelancer fans it's just I mean this is this is how we're doing in Star season exactly you can go back here and fly around but you don't get your Vu or anything like that you can fly from third person it sucks yeah and that's that's the Chris Robert's thing he doesn't want to stop you from doing something he's just going to make it suck if he doesn't want to do it a autopilot oh my God targets what are they it's going to be three dry my wingman Spirit would like to engage bite it cat face I shall Feast upon your Offspring

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    no you just glossed over it but you just issued commands to one of your wingmen oh yep I just uh ordered I just ordered uh spirit to break and attack these d and how many wingman do you have right now uh you're only ever going to have one wingman at a time in the original Wing CR well let me I'll modify that there is a mission where you join another Wing later in the game uh it's in the very last series hopefully we'll make it there oh she got a kill so right now you're flying with spirit Spirit yep and you'll have the option later on to choose different wingmen so I have selfishly told her to form of my wings so that I can so that I can get this kill the G what 16 ships in a mission Max um I believe win Commander 1 actually allows a bunch more it's wi Commander 2 that's really

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    limited uh number of ships on screen cuz there's a couple of 20 some Mission 21 20ish ones in uh the secret missions a little bit trouble from The Fighter yay that is a dead drw we're flying Hornets they're the light fighter and Wing Commander uh they only have a pair of lasers uh three missiles two of those are dumb fires uh it's pretty much impossible to hit something with a d dumire missile unless you are much better than I am uh but I am not and you got one heat seeker going to change to the heat

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    seeker cuz next time we encounter enemies on oh you know one thing we missed because this is the Gog version is that the original Wing Commander has uh had copy protection um this was the era where copy protection was essentially just to frustrate the actual user um instead of by these asteroids are tough this is I may die embarrassingly trying to navigate through them um so the copy protection would be things like like how old is Maniac uh and you'd have to look it up in claw marks or effect from the blueprint you know what's the eludium quotient for X missile um and you'd have to look up whatever the number was and uh of course wi Commander fans would memorize all of

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    those all the possible option you know the Rari is 18,000 tons uh Maniac is 23 the missile explosion is 9500 and so on uh because we're geeks uh they they removed that for GI version the audience still uh okay here's two salty light Fighters we got a long way to go Les Nick you can't be worrying about the audience now yeah I'll be honest this is one of the streams I would do even if nobody was going to play firing a missile we currently have 1,219 viewers wow who are you people I love you but who the hell are

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    you uh I think they might want some ship giveaways at some point oh keep watching we're not going to tell you we're going to give you like 5 minutes heads up when ship giveaways happen so so you got to be watching you got to be paying attention cuz I'm an ass I can confirm that the spirit hey you don't all have to confirm at the same time oh Spirit got the other salty so we're clear that was the only five enemies in this Mission unfortunately they're going to make us fly through the Rocks again strawber is a masochist you can shoot them it does not help much um the way to get through the asteroids is to move as slowly as

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    possible if I were to After Burner right now uh um then I would die very very quickly uh later on we're going to encounter Kathy mines which are the opposite they are magnetic and they lock on you and the faster you go the better you can avoid them okay I think I just glance the edge of that asro field Su are one o00 uh our 1:00 is Dennis Lu um he is uh just finish up all right let me I'm going to land this Mission we'll save and then we can uh I am ready to land I'll talk to you about the difficulty of Landing this thing a little bit later it was actually very easy that time but it's one of the most confusing things for people picking up the game without reading the manual you have to go towards the Bay of the tiger

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    slide you can't come in on the sides or the top or anything like that um which made it one of the most common questions in the uset from people who pirated the game like I play the mission I can't land I'm like okay I know you stole the game but uh you got away pretty clean sir yep if I taken more hits you would have seen the damage there there you can see my butt welcome back Bandit looks like you survived your first trip out he is a very able pilot Commander it is an honor to fly on his wing that's High Praise coming from Spirit you should be proud bandit in case you flew out in any case you flew well out there I reviewed the mission report from your flight recorder let's go over the mission report you got three of the hairballs B it and one kill Roy for Spirit now one of them must have

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    gotten away that's all then dismissed okay we will talk to these fellas when we get back by the way this is the Eno system we have just finished Mission Eno one and uh now let's try a Skype call all right give us a second here guys going to slide the keyboard back over to me so I can manage this let's get let's go to our Skype mode hold on Skypey Skypey Skype we are calling Dennis Lu and now we're hearing ourselves on uh

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    oh do we do we not have picture is it okay hello Mr L B are you there yes sir Welcome to our live stream not too badly how are you doing um so if folks out there don't know well tell them who you are hold on hold on Dennis they don't hear you yet oh some reason why don't they hear you why don't they hear you we'll have this resolved in just a moment folks don't promise that cuz I don't know why they don't hear him oh okay we may not

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    have this resolve I'm sure we will have this resolve no audio all uh wow okay hold on I might have to ask this a little bit because I don't know why it's not working all right Dennis try talking now all right is it going through uh well no in 30 seconds yeah we're always about 30 seconds behind from the live stream ah okay wonders of the modern world let's make sure they hear this or I can just talk to you guys yep all right they can hear you all right aw all right great yeah I'm Dennis Lu I was uh the first artist hired at origin way back in

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    the day uh when they first moved to Austin and uh I worked as the uh I guess the I guess you'd call it the lead artist on Wing Commander um I I was responsible for all the cockpits and pretty much all the backgrounds uh another artist Glenn Johnson he did all the faces and characters though I would do some distant guys like the little people at the funerals and and I think the mechanics and the people standing up in the uh in the uh uh in the in the room the uh briefing room cool and I think I did the running figures as well in the corridor well how

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    how did they do those running figures well we got some I got I I I videotaped some people on a treadmill okay and so there they are jogging as you can see and you know it would have been really great if when you're looking at their feet they're like running flat out but no it looks like they're taking a little jogging steps but uh then I just uh by hand went in and copied those you know in I think Deluxe paint sort of like and made frames like a homemade rotoscoping kind of yeah yeah basically the same with the uh the pilot in the in the ship and the

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    hand holding the joystick so yeah so how did you uh become involved with origin well I was working at a company called Steve Jackson games they do uh tabletop role playing games and and uh uh their famous for car wars and their big hit now is uh a card game I cannot remember the title I'm so embarrassed um Go Fish no no a uh they've got they've got a million different versions of it uh whenever they get a new license for something uh but uh I was working for Steve uh I started working for him because friends of mine took me to a uh

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    Society for Creative anachronism event okay and uh Steve Jackson was the local Baron and so I showed him a painting I was working on and he bought it for his magazine and then later hired me as his first artist and so I was working for Steve Jackson games when Richard showed up Richard had been was in the sca and he was showing off to Steve Jackson his Baron his new game Ultima 1 wow and uh so right then and there I did uh like graphics for Ultima one and uh he had he contracted me to do the

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    cover and so uh the rest is is history I went uh for like up to Ultima 4 I was working contract you know whenever he needed a cover he would come to me when he needed manual illustrations Richard would come to me but uh uh that changed in the middle of like Ultima 5 when they when they moved their offices from New Hampshire to Texas to Austin Texas and I happened to live there and he said you want to work for origin and I thought about it for about a quarter of a second and said yes and so uh that's when I became an employee of origin was working on origin and I introduced uh Chris to

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    Richard he was thinking of visiting origin and I said oh I'm I'm already working there so how did you how did you meet Chris in the first place uh I think I met him at hexor which was a uh a gaming place in Austin it it's fondly look back at the people who went there as the Golden Age of gaming in Austin uh these people just ran this place every night it'd be like this big gaming party uh Gamers would run role playing games and tabletop games and card games and all sorts of stuff H actually and so I met Chris Roberts there and he looked at my art and said oo can you do some work for a

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    game I'm doing and it wasn't Wing Commander it was something else something I think it was like a Proto uh uh times of lore that's that was his first game for origin yeah and so I did a I think I did I did some of the graphics for I did a bunch of the graphics for times of lore and he moved that production of that into into origin when origin hired him on so cool so that's cool that's how I got involved in that um now I I you are responsible for kind of you did the cover for Wing Commander didn't you uh yes that's uh it's kind of the enduring image of the series they they kind of reuse it over and over

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    controversial because it is a pasted up job it's not a frame right out of the game MH mhm yet it's set on the cover what you see is what you play and so there was some controversy over that yeah but it and it the cover did consist of touched up Graphics from the game yes it did so that's cool we're showing off the uh the cover on the stream right now ah I've turned off my streaming so the sound doesn't interfere yeah uh but absolutely beautiful cover um so what tell us about origin in those days what what was it like to work for software development then we had

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    recently moved into no no this was this was the office at Wild Basin and uh it was we were the the entirety of origin was along this entire this this long hallway and uh when you entered the uh when you entered origin you appeared in the middle of the hallway and there was a desk with the uh uh receptionist behind it and she would direct you where you needed to go um uh I worked at I think the far left end of the hallway at about the time uh Wing Commander was going on we had a big

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    artist uh Bullpen with a bunch of artists there all working on stuff we had a bunch of Windows overlooking the river and stuff it was pretty cool what did you uh what did you work what what kind of software did you work with uh oh pretty much Deluxe paint Deluxe paint was very popular back then yeah Deluxe paint on a PC we had two 256 colors to work with uh so we had to be very stingy with the colors on stuff that's why everything looks kind of posterized in the game we could afford you know four Reds for the walls we could afford you know four blues for the uniforms things like that uh and we didn't have a lot of the tools

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    that you have today so basically the uh the uh crumpled panel that flies off as debris when you blow up a spaceship mhm that was a crumpled uh index card I would take that and I would hold it up with a light shining from one side and draw it by hand in Deluxe paint at various angles to get the rotation the uh the wing section that you see tumbling out mhm sometimes was made out of uh uh index cards and coffee straws kind of crudely taped together

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    and that worked great I think the the asteroids were rocks I found in the parking lot held up and Drew those so it was fun it was it was gr I could do I could do I could do you know basically uh standard 2D animation working from sort of live models so to speak that was pretty much what you had to do back in those days yeah yeah they didn't have the scanners and the 3D uh modeling programs and stuff the first Wing Commander the uh the 3D ships were modeled uh uh by by somebody who modeled out of house by somebody who had an

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    Amiga and some 3D software so they could generate the views of the spaceships wow I did go in and touch them up though well of course necessity is the mother of all invention yes because the renders sometimes had you know disconnected pixels and all sorts of stuff and cleaned them up as best I could so what are you working on now uh right now I'm trying to support myself via patreon okay which is sort of an ongoing if you're not familiar with patreon it's sort of an ongoing kickstar starter mhm you're basically funding the artist to do more art and how I've got it arranged is several you know uh uh pledge

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    teers and you get you know different stuff but basically you get my art and everything I'm doing right now I have a big Ultima uh contingent and they're getting the Lion Share of of cool stuff uh in some cases is I'm drawing just sketches of people uh just drawing sketches of stuff that I want to sketch and uh sending it occasionally to a lucky Patron and one of those was a picture uh my version of uh uh uh spirit okay and so that was cool we're bringing up your uh patreon on the stream right now so folks can see so we yeah so it would be uh uh

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    patreon.com Dennis Lu all right let's see if this works here we we weren't ready to do this but I want I want to try I want to show it to our uh our viewers here sure please let's see if this works I we shouldn't kick you off all right there you go so that's your that's my patreon that's your patreon so this is Dennis Lu's patreon yeah and they can get custom artwork straight from you well uh they can get the uh the people at the highest tier have a chance to get pictures from me and and just people and all the the patrons have a chance of getting a smaller sketch from me but that's not the main thing the main thing is when I do when I do a piece of art the patrons all get a copy they get to see it got uh the

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    higher uh uh the uh the pledge the the more you get it's like uh you'll get the actual Photoshop file with all the layers intact stuff like that when at the lowest level you'll get you know a nice a nice picture and your your P patrons get to uh to vote on the subject is that right well I did that I I i' I've done that this one time uh there I I uh had people writing and what they wanted to what they wanted my next project to be uh since the uh since the uh Ultima fans outnumbered the uh the wing Commander fans uh what they voted on finally

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    was doing a cover to Ultima 7 uh which in the in in actual history had a black cover and so I was thinking and so one of the people suggested hey do a cover that uh that would have been you know a representational cover like all the other Ultima covers for Ultima 7 and uh that one won the votes but there were there were things there were people who wanted pictures of uh of kill Ray uh some of the stuff from Ultima early ultimas that had a crashed kill rathy spaceship and stuff like that so uh win Commander fans out there

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    support uh support his patreon and let's get some more space art yeah I recently opened a uh uh a storefront on shapeways a 3D printing uh yeah I saw that thing and uh I'm asking the fans of wi Commander what they might want for a 3D printed thing uh I'm pretty much looking metals and things you know the the the metals and and the uh PL jewelry of some sort mhm and and and I I I got sent a a large info dump of all the cool metals that you see in Commander I'm I may very well do some of

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    those so I'll I'll I'll keep you apprised yeah we will we will let folks know if you do yep we we've got we've got your page up on the stream folks have got the URL cool so well thank you guys no problem thank you thank you for coming on yeah and let's see uh uh anything else you guys want to know uh I don't know any any uh good stories from the old days well gosh let's see uh that's a broad question I know yeah let's see uh back in early Ultima it was like you know there were by the time Wing Commander came around there were more than 12 people but when I first started working there were like 12

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    guys uh working on various projects they didn't know whether they would have enough for me to do but uh by the time they saw what I was doing for Ultima they all wanted a piece and so I I was doing art for all the different games they had going um but uh I was known for getting kind of frustrated with my computer and there would be occasional Outburst where I would tell my computer what for and uh embarrassingly enough I went through a few keyboards and so uh one of the sound guys got the idea to play a prank and so he found a uh a sound file of shattering

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    glass and we set up speakers in my office and I let loose with a stream of invective and then he hit the button and was the sound of shattering glass and uh Dallas Snell who was the uh office manager at the time materialized in the doorway having run down the length of the hallway uh looking for the damage and we all cruy laughed at him so that was good uh one of our uh viewers asked if you have if if you can share a story about Chris Roberts maybe something embarrassing that we can embarrass Chris Roberts well it's not so much embarrassing about Chris Roberts as embarrassing about me all right that'll work Chris Roberts was pretty much a a

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    perfectionist what we both work for Robert and so he I would do this piece of art and go okay this is good here you go and he'd go no I want it better and and he was he was usually pretty good at describing what he wanted and just not leaving it at I wanted better but sometimes it would get that way and I'd Grumble and I'd go back and do it again and damned if he wasn't right i' do it again and yeah this is better y ah crap it's like why why am I considering myself an art director when somebody else knows better what uh what the art should look like that that happens here quite often we

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    have our art art resource and I'll go through you know just to keep a breast because I'm Community manager when I'll see stuff I wow that looks really great this is amazing I can't wait to show people and then five minutes later Chris will make a comment this isn't right you need to do this this this this is wrong with it and this is weird and and this thing doesn't flow with this and suddenly feel like a an idiot cuz you're like oh my God everything Chris said was right how could I have liked that before I thought that was good before grumbling going ah he doesn't know anything and I I'd redo the art and I'd go okay this looks better God damn it that is exactly the Chris Robert's experience he has not changed it it it's weird it's weird cool isn't there some part of the story involving a parrot or something some part of the story involving a

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    parrot yeah I I know the I know the uh the kraay in the wing Commander movie looked different from the kraay and Wing Commander 2 I don't know if the movie is something you don't talk about but no no we talk about it okay good so we'll probably get into that at some point in the show I I am I am especially fond of my of my kill Ray so oh yeah so so is the entire fan base I mean we 2 is the one that nailed the look of the K they were the few characters I got to draw well Glen Johnson got all the others I wanted to do the kill rathy so they let me do the kill rathy I'm glad

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    you did that it's an iconic look say do you know who did the uh the line art of the ships in the manual I don't know I well uh uh Glenn Johnson did the character drawings uh it wasn't me who did the uh the blueprints might have been Glenn I don't know not sure uh I was curious in the Tiger's claw I mean not the Tiger's claw in claw marks is was Aaron Alon involved in that yes he was the uh he was the he edited claw marks cool you know he did a whole bunch of Star Wars novels right yes the X-Wing series yes he was a New York Times bestselling author doing Star Wars novels and stuff

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    like that he was also my roommate for many years oh wow until he died yeah I wanted to mention that actually earlier when we were talking about CLA marks he was our game master we would play uh uh hero system games and boy having a a New York Times bestselling author is your game master spoils you let me tell you we used to my my my old Wing Commander buddies and I we uh we would always go to Dragon Con every year and he would always go to Dragon Con you know he would talk he would talk about his X-Wing books and you know all the stuff he's famous for and we would always come with our piles of claw marks for him to sign oh that's great he he seemed like a great guy he really enjoyed the fans he he was a big one for

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    going to conventions is that we got so um yeah claw marks was fantastic uh yeah yeah uh oh one one interesting story about Wing Commander mhm sure uh it's when we knew it's when I knew that we had a hit it was during play test we had like three or four people or actually up up to like six people in this one room with computers around the walls playing Wing commander and when they started falling out of their chairs we knew we had a hit because they'd be dodging The Ships coming right

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     at them and they were so involved in the game that they would Dodge and fall right out of the out of the metal chairs they were sitting in and we we were looking at that and going and look at each other with big eyes going oh my God this is going to be huge that's as good a sign as any I knew that that that that Wing Commander was going to be big that's fantastic I remember doing that too first night playing it or something else it was like nothing we'd seen before well we really really appreciate you calling in um great to hear about all this happy to do it anytime guys that's I would absolutely encourage everybody to check out uh Dennis's

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     patreon uh um it's for a great cause adds art to the world which we in need of um you know you can make some more cool stuff happen guys you bet get more if I get more Wing Commander fans talking to me I'll do more Wing Commander stuff all right you may hear from a few all right cool Dennis well thank you so much and let's uh continue our Crusade against the karath and the Vegas sector all right thanks Dennis thank you very much thanks everyone bye good meeting you all right that was cool go back to our uh Raper here all right that was a hornet we have not seen Rapier well no I mean our Raper oh our our rap

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     our okay um well back to Wing Commander um as you you know what let mean say a few words about the save system um this drifting bucket here by the way is one of those things that often gets cited as just great immersion in the game um I can't disagree um you have eight save slots uh and when you save it one of the tiger Club Pilots appears sleeping in the bed uh oh I never ever noticed that yeah I I think it's awesome um and here's a weird one if you have the Sega CD version and Sega CD does not have memory there's only six beds and you can add a separate memory cartridge to the uh console and it adds the other two beds back um but it's just how little memory we were working with back then you uh I didn't noticed the beds filled

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     up with people yeah save it I I just always saved over the same one so I never did staggered saves s is that not working before there was a mission selector I used to make copies of the save file so I jump around the did that too who wants to be uh who wants to be shot glass heard you fill with the spirit yesterday she's quite a little thing and she's a little deeper deeper he's Rock Steady follows orders don't fire until she you don't sound like shot glass at all you want to be shot glass toast uh I oh too late he's done hold done okay Okay who wants to be Spirit you were doing spirit before true and it take a seat take a shot every time I

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     speak so um I won't speak too much if I may say so you are doing quite well thank you Spirit colel s is most pleased with your performance thus far send your letters courtesy to Ben Lesnik Cloud Imperium games by the way I'm not trying to sound like an Asian stereotype here um she has a voice in the uh in super Wing commander and it sounds like that I'm sorry that that may have sounded bad I'm not going to read spirit's voice anymore so U the U wingman conversations react to how you did in the previous Mission um you know if if I failed that mission she would have tried to reassure me it's

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     going to be okay it was a tough Mission um if she died she simply would not be there and instead of talking about whatever they're talking about now the wingman would be going on about how sad it is that spirit's gone sheep dip is the word he just used the word sheep dip uh it's all sheep dip so edgy back in the 90s all right let's uh let the second mission how are we we what we're about 2 hours in and we're one Mission yeah Epsilon Wing is Bandit and spirit you'll be escorting the Draymond class transport to its jump Point Computer display Epsilon let's take a look at your flight path you revu with the transport upon launch

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     escort it to nav point one that was all fast before and on to nav Point 2 where it will indicate jump sequence once it's jumped out you'll return by the most direct route remember your job is to make sure that transport jumps out I don't want you leaving her to chase down Bogies if the enemy Retreats you stay with the transport questions yes sir why is nav one so far out of the way there's an asteroid field between the Tiger's claw and the jump point a fighter might navigate it but the Draymond sport would never make it through anything else all right then let's get to work Squadron

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     dismissed and here we have uh Dennis's makeshift rotoscoping watch those legs Yep they're on a treadmill um if you're wondering how these ships take off of the Tiger's claw they are because as you can see the take off does not match the landing they're being shot out of tubes in the two wings of the ship there is the Draymond class transport I'm going to escort uh while I'm doing this why don't I I'll talk a little bit more about the ships um you saw the the uh the ship art uh the ship art in uh claw marks an artist at origin came up with all the line drawings of the different ships and

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     then uh to bre and attack and then they were sent to a company in New York City that was uh discovered by Warren Spectre now a world famous game designer in his own right he was a producer and Wing uh where running this is one of the problems with salty and in fact it's what the colonel just warned me about I should not be chasing that down cuz I got to protect transport uh the salty tend to take damage and then run away as quickly as they can uh which in a couple more missions will be a real pain as we try to nail one of their Aces uh so the line drawings were sent to uh woman in New York city named Mary

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     Bellis who uh turned them into uh 3D why are these saw running away can we just say it can we just stop and say it said I will Feast upon your Offspring yes I love eating offsprings so um I'm not sure exactly what happened there they both ran away very quickly uh so we're just going to keep esing the transport uh miss out on those kills like the colonel ordered um so um this woman rendered them in a very primitive uh 3D program well the Amiga and took a screen capture of them from every possible angle uh and those uh those different angles are put into the game see it's it's not a 3D object in the game it's a series of bit maps and uh

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     Chris's Chris's uh Chris's Tech does is uh show you the right angle from the library of bit Maps depending on where you should be seeing I've managed to kill one Domo this just before Domo yeah that's just two of D oh see I hit her and she yelled at me those of you curious Ben is using keyboard and mouse not using the mouse no no God darn sorry joystick and keyboard it would have been highly like unusual to have a throttle at this time very very few people had them um and they they weren't preset okay now I'm going to watch this transport jump out this

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     Mission has been a real wash by the way I'm not going to get the metal because uh talking your way through it I was talking my way through it and the enemies all escaped but we have saved the transport it has jumped out the lives are safe um assuming the other two pilots on the other side are escorting it properly and assuming I do not whack into an asteroid don't don't whack into an asteroid um wi Commander has a uh varied Mission tree uh there are 40 odd missions in the game uh a great playthrough is 18 uh you could you can do have to do as many as 22 23 something around that but uh you never play every Mission uh these first two series are the noo system and depending on how I

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     how I flew in those two missions it will determine whether we have off to the winning one which the Confederation is moving to the moli system and starting to prepare for an offensive or we're falling back to the Gateway system if I lose where we will uh be getting ready to uh defend the system against a karath assault um and we'll find out which we got I'm pretty sure we're headed to moli even though you almost I've got to get the handle of flying and talking it's one of the most impressive things about all those all you video game live streamers out there I don't know how you talk and play effectively at the same time yeah we we are old men and this is our first time uh than yeah so I requested Landing but if you watch this

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     if I fly over say this way above the top and I get close to the ship by the way if I don't get killed I'm going to kill myself at some point to show you the funeral which is one see I won't land like that that we'll reduce the frame rate I have to line it up properly later later when commander games remove this cuz it confused people but it's you know more of that cool Chris Roberts realism landed on the floor uh they're they really enjoy voicing the parts they're pretty much requiring it okay we'll keep voicing the parts you got to away pretty clean s Mission De briefing 600

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     hours good job out there Bandit the sport jumped right on schedule you covered her well thank you sir but Spirit deserves as much credit as I do there's your character blue hair like us biton is too kind sir I only flew in his wing at any rate that was some nice flying well let's review the mission report Bandit you took out two Kil rothy oh that's terrible that's terrible Spirit got one of them the dram and Sport made its jump on schedule so what do I care and Bandit I

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     want to see you in my office and a couple of hours ooh what going to happen wear pants that's all then dismissed Colonel Hon's office 1650 hours Lesnik come in I need to speak you yes sir it's about your hair I've been speaking with sector command the brass have been reviewing your record and I have some good news the order came in this morning I've been authorized to promote you hooray congratulations first lieutenant Lesnik keep up the good work thank you sir I'll do my

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     best we'll be leaving Eno soon I need to make some Personnel changes effective immediately following the jump you'll be reassigned oh do it so do I want you in the Scimitar class medium fighter with Blue Devil Squadron everything's Blue Blue Hats blue hairs yes sir you won't be sorry Blue Devils I will cuz I play simitar the uh we'll talk about this a little bit more when we're doing ports um good I'm glad to hear it the uh Super Nintendo version um that's all then first lieutenant dismissed the Super Nintendo version of

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     win Commander 1 had to go through uh Nintendo's polic your various policies Nintendo was send you a a huge three- ring binder of all the stuff you could not have in your game so they had to go in and change massive amounts of things at Nintendo's request um for instance Iceman here could not be polishing his gun um shot glass the bartender could not reference alcohol so he would talk you there's a point later where he tells you he's invented this new drink uh because if if you it's a losing system it's like it's it's full of rocks I've invented a new drink for this system it's the rosof Hairball and uh it's for people who are stuck here or whatever it's a depressing thing if Super Nintendo version he explains this he's invented a new ice cream sunde named

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     after the system and he changes all the drink preferences to desserts um but what reminded me of that with the uh reassignment to Blue Devil Squadron was that they were not allowed to have the word devil in the Super Nintendo version so it got changed to Blue Angel Squadron that means the same thing yeah it seems to be accepting the same uh philosophy it's just you can't mention the other part it's just the polar opposite um so I will say that uh promotions are somewhat randomized as long as you're doing well in the game you can get get them occasionally uh the although the manual lists up to konel the only the highest you can get in this in the original game is uh major uh in secret missions you can get up for lieutenant colonel um medals are not randomized there's only specific points in the game where

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     you can earn a metal if I had and they're largely determined by uh what you shoot down uh each each ship has a number of points and there's a couple there like if you lose your wingman if you shoot shoot down your wingman that's minus 25 points and so on so there there's a there's a the game has a mark in each Mission not every mission in missions that have medals where if you do well enough you get a medal um if if I had shot down five enemy ships in that I would have gotten a medal I believe uh can can can I can I can I talk about this scene here for a second first look at the the widescreen television in the corner this was this was 1990 and he's he already foreseeing widescreen televisions in our future so good job Roberts that's like one point I'm G to take away one point for leaving the flight simulator right in the middle of

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     the room though and right in front of the bar for that matter that it's not a good place for the flight simulator so I'm going to give you one point for predicting widescreen televisions and take away two points for leaving the the room but let let me give a point to I would assume Dennis this this uh seat up front it really tells you there's more of a room here that's that's that's clever yes um so let's meet a couple new engman well let's talk to shot glass first that's Iceman and Knight over there Knight's a darn reliable pilot a solid shot a steady flyer not flashy at all he sort of a crestman gets the job done though Iceman though now he's an artist best pilot on the T claw oh want

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     do Iceman lives to fly and to fight he's ruthless and completely deadly can I do ice man yes some of the pilots say he's got freon for blood at least that's where he got the call sign PR either that or Top Gun by the way Chris's call sign is Maverick and he has a pilot named Iceman he definitely saw Top Gun Bandit they call me Iceman don't let Knight fool you the Sim's a or the skims a gun heavy slug forget finesse justess head straight in guns blaring give me a ship that takes skill a raptor even a hornet or one of those new

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     rapers half if half of what they say is true the Rapier is a true artist ship I'm dangerous you're dangerous and here M up the quot here's Knight and I'm going to I'm going to give you another weird Super Nintendo change uh the pilot so Knight is from South Africa according to claw marks uh for whatever reason he couldn't be from South Africa in the Nintendo version they changed it to Angola oh that's that's yeah bit right I'm KN welcome to the Blue Devils ever flown sarus before I think you're going to like them nope simitar isn't quite as fast or as Nimble

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     as a hornet but she's got twice the armor as well as heavier guns and she handles like a Centurian mud Pig he centorian mud Pig Iceman here I'll try to sell you speed and handling I'll save your butt I was not ready to say Centurian mud Pig but I'll take an extra 3 cenm of Dar still PL any day um so I love that this is the debate you would be having on message boards about the game but it's the pilots doing it um so i' I've been reassigned to the Scimitar um the simitar gets a very bad WAP specifically because it's the ship

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     well no specifically it doesn't suck really but it's the ship that everyone in the game says sucks so um it uh it's actually one of my favorite chips it's better than the Hornet um I guess I'm more of a knight than an ice man but uh yeah hey uh before we start this you want to start our first giveaway yeah let's give away uh in honor of having transferred out of the Hornet let's give out a hornet and Star Citizen so uh what's going to happen is while we're playing this Mission uh go ahead and enter the raffle you're going to do an exclamation point raffle to enter the raffle the raffle is now open it should be open let's see if this is working do an exclamation point raffle I didn't see mubot say anything mubot are you saying something is that working I think that's

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     working can't tell that's working yep it's working all right so we can start the mission and when we're done with the mission we'll do the drawing okay cool um if you look at my uh chest here you can see I've earned now four ribbons uh the game is not good to tell you what those ribbons are but uh one of them is my Hornet qualification for first mission in a hornet one will be my Ace qualification for having shot down five enemies um one will be my first there's one for first mission I believe I'm not sure what the other one is gu we start a a list you know when no don't do anything start a text list for when we do pick a winner okay I will also say that the uh the dates other than so the first date 54110 uh wi Commander star date system

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     is basically just the number of the day of the year uh 26 54110 is how it starts the rest of them are somewhat randomized so when we go back to try to create a wing command or timeline we typically have to use other sources such as the uh claw marks manual that says for instance that the uh the TCS show is on 26 54140 uh which matches up to the port Headland series of missions by the way guys it's only going to count one entry so there's absolutely no point in entering more than once other than to annoy people here's another thing from the the exit to DOS is the airlock so you want to you want to aband a wing Commander you have to go in the airlock oh those pilot Jacks for space suits right Mission The Briefing 15 minutes into the briefing jacket blue pants yes all right then beta Wing will be led by

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     Bandit Paladin you'll be fly oh my God I'm talking so fast I can't even tell you how I'm looking forward to it col sometimes it goes so fast and other times it goes so slow right since we jumped into the Macy system just a few hours ago here's a we'll still R be running preliminary patrols m m Bandit you'll be flying a four-point route checking several potential jump points here's your flight plan plan plan just fight to the nav points and make sure they're clear long range sensors indicate some sort of debris near nav 3 you know Colonel it say right there have reason to believe this might be a kill rathy Minefield so be especially careful in that

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     area questions all right then delta wing is Iceman and Angel question why are you intentionally fly a Minefield last question good let's get to work why is it going so fast I can't read it Squadron dismissed I'm done with this uh let's talk about pilot names um they're all from Top Gun and so we all know Colonel Blair is the hero of wing Commander because once they got to the full motion video version you know they needed to have Mark Hill say his name at some point back back in this game of course you can enter your own last name and C sign um and there is a long history of going from that to the canonical name which starts right here

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     at this time origin came up with as a name for the character Arturo Blair uh this was in 1990 Arturo for our hero Blair for blue hair um he was referred to that internally and they ultimately for the when they needed a name for the strategy guide the strategy guide uses back then strategy guides were kind of kind of like a novel they would tell the story of the game in in fiction so they needed a name for him and they held a contest and what they came up with was not not Chris Blair my favorite but Carl lefong Carl Leong in the in the book of wing Commander one he is car he is Lieutenant Colonel Carl lefong Carl lefong which is a reference to a WC WC Fields movie uh called it's a gift in which the

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     character is constantly looking for someone named Carl lefong Carl lefong who never appears um over the years uh even after they got to Colonel Christopher Maverick Blair in wi Commander 3 actually he was just Colonel Christopher Blair then you could pick your own name other WR to Maverick internally for after Chris Robert's call sign and then when they did you know the cartoon in the movie they they made that official um some other options for the uh Sega CD Port which is a direct Port of this they did full speech which by the way is worse than our full speech um they did full speech and so they just call him hot shot in every cut scene for super Wing Commander which we'll talk about a little bit later they by the way I just killed three dry while they was talking I'm awesome

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     um uh for super Wing Commander they for whatever Reon they gave his call sign Maverick and named him Armstrong don't know why but those are the many names of of uh our protagonist and I I just I figured I would go with Bandit Lesnik just like I did 25 years ago what was the name of the what was his name in the uh strategy guide again Carl lefon Carl lefon Last oh here is mines I'm going go as quickly as possible so I'm actually after buring took a mine in the but yes look I'm dead center the the nav point was dead center the Minefield thank you Colonel

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     um what was I saying just before that uh the strategy guide uh check it out because it uh part of this setup is that it uh wind Commander is in the world of wind Commander a 3D Hol vid game made by a fake Chris Tristan Roberts a movie producer in the future um there's all sorts of layers to that it's it's very uh contradictory to the rest of the wi Commander series because uh you know he has a different name in the story and the Kathy W just disappears I guess ends and they don't say it some point um so here's three salty um they you they're really as from a game design perspective they're working me up to heavier ships they are listen to those clunk one of the cool

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     things the uh mt32 does uh is it adds some sound effects in addition to the music so like when you fire your weapons there's a there's a solid uh but even without the mass driver always has something yeah you saw some of Dennis's uh yeah I just hit one of Dennis's uh cards index cards no we're not disabling slow mode that's why we're leaving the the entire length of the mission for the raffle slow Mode's for our benefit guys it's the only way I can read what you type and you want me to read what you type right um so one thing you may notice is

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     that my wingman is quite different each one has a very distinct AI how they react to situations how they follow my orders um if I want up stuck with Maniac for instance he simply will not listen to me he will never form on my wing he'll never return to base um spirit and Paladin are both very uh willing to obey yay I just brought P three salty feeling good um the ship designs for the Hornet and the simitar as far as I can tell are pretty original um the Rapier and the uh Raptor well we'll see them a little bit later assuming I do well enough to earn seats in those ships and uh you you guys can tell me what they are from there's the tiger CLA see now this Mission I have to request landing and I have to know that I

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     fly over there I just afterburner slid to the front of the Tiger's claw that's a maneuver you can use when you're approaching the enemy in the later games you kind of After Burner and you slide your ship uh all right getting ready to close up the raffle guys if you haven't entered yet do it now you got away pretty clean sir oh I just got a message from Sandy why don't you resolve that while I uh sure Mission debriefing 600 hours well flown

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     Bandit you handle those flea bags like an old Pro thanks sir having paladin on my wing made it easy now L don't brag on me or the colonel will start expecting more from me I wasn't ready so let's go over the mission report I wasn't ready to do his voice you scragged six kill wrathy Bandit holy crap good job me and you came up empty that's all then dismissed by B I didn't get any ships all right we're closing the raffle closing the

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     raffle close the raffle let's draw the raffle we got our little mubot here he going to do it completely random so let's see the winner is of the uh Star Citizen hornet is popsicle Pete WC popsicle Pete WC congratulations you just won uh Hornet and Star Citizen uh what we'd like you to do is uh send a private message to the cig Community Twitch account here with your with the email of your Star Citizen account if for any reason you don't have a Star Citizen account go create a star assistant account at robertsspaceindustries.com then send us the email that you used to create your account and we'll give you your nice shiny new Hornet uh sometime

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     next week thanks so thanks again to popsicle Pete WC by the way popsicle Pete is a a big active member of the win Commander Community he uh worked on a couple of fantastic mods including unknown enemy and standoff which is kind of the gold standard of win Commander mod projects um he's done all sorts of cool things for WC news over the years uh and just a really good guy in general so that Hornet went to a great home um he joined twitch today so he joined twitch just for this stream um Mr Lando I believe that uh we have another special guest uh our special guest at 2 o' was supposed to be Joe gity Joe gity if you're out there we're going to ask you to hold on just a little bit um our boss would like to join the stream oh okay hold on I got to give the keyboard

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     back what's going on uh our boss needs to add me on Skype NOP uh well why don't you ping him um you know what maybe it's not yet maybe we'll wait a little bit okay I'm working out the details right now one second please Talk Amongst yourselves I'll give you a topic how badly does the Scimitar suck sorry guys just one

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     second there he is yeah tell him he's got to accept my friend request all right we we may play a few more missions first okay but uh that the works okay what about Joe gity uh yeah Joe G are you out there would you like to uh Skype in and uh see if uh we we share some cool Collectibles he said he was ready 14 minutes ago let's see yep he is ready all right cool let's let's take a chat with Joe gity Joe G um well you guys are going to see Joe gity he's a heck of a guy he runs something called the origin Museum um and uh you're going to see what that is Joe

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     hey hey all right that is a heck of a room oh that it is that it is origin Museum wow I'm just kicking back here having the Hell's Kitchen nice how you guys doing great we're having a lot of fun I hope folks out there are too uh listening to us watch it it's awesome it's absolutely terrific cool um so tell tell everybody who doesn't know what the origin museum is oh the origin museum is a repository a collector's uh area and uh a preservation stuff for all things origin basically I collect and preserve everything related to origin systems uh thank God I have a wife who understands me because it's starting to fill the house I'm getting I'm I'm like crazy

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     Eddie I I can't help it I get I get stuck from everywhere and uh people have been incredibly nice to us including the cic including Robert space Industries everybody's been wonderful but uh I collect and preserve all this old stuff I need to go to that room it's a lot of fun to hang out there uh hold on Joe I'm coming absolutely you're warm welcome I think actually the two of you guys will get along very well uh so how are you what what's up I'm doing good I'm I'm hanging out with a bunch of different people now I'm getting back into uh collecting uh uh getting in with a lot different groups including uh Richard garet's new uh game shroud of the Avatar uh as well as a couple other areas uh let me for anybody

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     who's a collector anybody who loves the old games who's into it if you don't mind me giving a plug go to Facebook and join up with the big box PC game collectors group they're a great bunch of individuals everybody shows off their prize possessions and we all have a really good time um I I will second that uh Second That advertisement I'm a member of that group and it's it's just a group of really good people and there's so much excitement you just feel really happy being in that Community everybody is a good person there's no drama like you see in a lot of a lot of different groups there's no politics there's no religion we just love sharing the love of gaming it's awesome that you guys got to go see it so I I feel like I am uh

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     talking show host having the animal act on but what do you have there for us Mr G well I have a kink at you that I'm going to put on your shoulder no uh I got I got a lot of different things that I've collected over the years and years uh uh some of which is right in front of me here let's take a look at this fell right here right behind us this is actually Prince threath himself from wi 3 this is the leader of the kitra mang this is the big evil bad guy uh these are uh this is an animatronic head that the animatronics taken out this was actually used in the in the full motion video production of the game uh also have his paw that we've held on to all these

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     years but I get this stuff from multiple different sources sometimes most of the time eBay sometimes private collectors uh and even some of the developers sometimes contact me and say hey uh I've had this stuff for 20 years I'm getting rid of it uh would you like to have it and I say sure and more often than not I pay for the shipping and give as many Kudos and thanks to them and they boxes appear on my doorstep so I'm here to preserve all the stuff that's going on you see we have another PA right here um what Jared probably does not realize is that actually came from Joe G who sent that to Chris oh wonderful I'm glad I'm glad he got it that's really cool he just took it out

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     of its case terrific I'm touching my face with it looking awesome uh I can't see you guys is that all right oh oh yeah that's fine just pretend you see us I don't know why you can't see us I'm sorry about that but we can see you and you're on the stream I see Jared and his baby which is just as nice no Ben's cuter though yeah right can you oh this is live you can't edit that out yeah no it's it's live we can see you let me show you some other stuff that Ed over the years uh uh this is this is kind of interesting Electronic Arts had a had a subsidiary in Virginia for a while and

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     when they closed down EA Mythic uh the Electronic Arts guys contacted me and basically said we have a bunch of stuff that we'd like you guys to have and I said sure they said come on over and I said uh great how much stuff are we talking about and the guy went bring a van so I was like wow this is incredibly cool so one of the things that they gave me was this and it doesn't look like it's a big deal but this is the original artwork that they used to create the logo for Wing Commander 2 this is all hand painted oh that's awesome and some of the these things I think definitely need to be preserved this stuff needs to be held on to and uh I'll just I'll just hold on to it until I get until I get old and gray

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     haaha but uh I'm going to end up uh with with donating this stuff to a museum or a library or something like that so hopefully uh it'll it'll be able to be shared with everybody in the long run so people can see the gaming Roots you know uh another one of the nice items that I've acquired over the years what ship has this been why that is a vampire from Wier prophecy absolutely right this is an actual this is one of the only Wing Commander models that I actually know of in existence this is a wooden model that was created by someone uh to promote Wing Commander prophecy in 1997 is that correct seven yes that is from their e display there was a second

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     one which was a uh Manta Fighter the alien one the engines go up and down on it and it's absolutely it's absolutely beautiful it's all hand painted it's incredibly detailed and the thing lights up as well but I've never been bold enough to try a different voltage on this obious like six or 12 volts but I can't be sure so I've never connected it I toed with the idea of trying to light it up today and went don't take a chance you might blow it no don't don't please don't destroy the uh the only model vampire in the world uh what else do we got this is actually a really a late acquisition that I've gotten this is the uniform of Hobs this is actually hobbs' uniform from Wing Commander 3 I got a

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     hold of this recently this is less than I got this for less than a year I bought this off of eBay there was a guy who basically went he bought it from uh some British place I believe prop Masters or something like that MH and his wife told him he had to sell it so he was very very happy that I was one of the people who ended up bidding on it and I won that auction so it's nice so uh some of the other things that we have I don't know if you can see it but in the background that is a costume from wine Commander 4 I believe with the wrong helmet on it yes I you know that Ben oh yeah it's a prophecy helmet right that's a prophecy helmet and a wing Commander for uniform but I just thought

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     it was really cool to show up but we hold on to these so as well as the games we hold on to a lot of the different things uh that uh that we think the wing Commander Community is going to want to look at in the future someday that that of stuff yeah I think Jared didn't know about you so no I I didn't I this was a surprise to me I'm I'm I am the wing Commander nut I'm the I'm I'm the guy okay can I tell can I tell them about the first time we met was there an explosion absolutely absolutely this is really cool so I I was in college uh University of Texas in Austin and I was running WC news.com the the big wi Commander fan site and uh I

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     get an email from from Mr gity here who says I just got uh I just got Freddy Prince Jr's flight suit from the wing Commander movie in an auction and I want to give it back to Chris Roberts and I'm coming to Austin and uh can you help me get in touch or I forget exactly what you want I think maybe you were just bragging about the flight suit um and I was like sure I I can do whatever I can um so you you showed up here you showed up in Austin not here in s Monica uh this is about two the year 2000 I think yeah that would have been 2000 15 years ago you showed up um wearing the flight suit I believe the first time I saw you I had to are you kidding me uh we uh we we took you down to digital Anvil it was uh down at

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     uh third in Congress at the time um in their their original location uh you got the tour um it turned out you had the B uniform and Chris had the a one so he didn't you both had Freddy Prince Junior's uniform in your collection so what's wonderful is I got to meet Chris Roberts and I got to keep the uniform which is like just like a double dream for me um but actually you you met most of our executive staff that day Chris was there uh Aaron was there Tony Z was there um right and it's it's amazing that uh you know 15 years later we're all still uh making games oh it's fantastic and it's so neat to see that another Wing Commander fan just like me actually made it all the way to the big time so double kudos to you I live through you now you

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     know am I love everything you guys do and I think it's fantastic except for crunch time I I don't think I would be able to deal with that it builds character uh we don't crunch as much as any everyone thinks honestly all right so now it's time for my story all right so we all big fans and we're enjoying ourselves and having a good time well the wi Commander movie comes out and I'm incredibly jealous because Ben gets to actually go and see the premere opening of the wing Commander movie so he comes back with all these great stories and I'm like this is fantastic and I love I love hanging out and hearing about this a couple of years later I get in touch with a guy by the name of Mr Bob Lono now nobody knows who this guy is

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     Bob Lam mono ran a company called X toys this was the company that made the thirdparty uh action figures for the wing Commander movie in anticipation of the wing Commander movie being that Blockbuster smash that it was going to be he started this toil line all right and he came out with all these little toys well we all know that Wing Commander the movie came out about the same time as episode one so it didn't make the splash that everybody had anticipated well you buy these little wing Ander characters and on the back of the box it says vehicles coming soon so I get in touch with this guy and I start talking to him and I say what ever happened to the vehicles and he says oh

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     I still have the Prototype vehicles I say what what's going on so I immediately contact Ben he says he wants to sell but he wants a ridiculous amount of money like a lot and Ben says I inan if we pull our money together we can get these prototype vehicles I said okay that's great so what I end up what I ended up acquiring was the actual Kil Wy fighter this is this is the Prototype toy for the wi Commander movie that's and inside is the kraay is the is the traitor that was not that did not appear in the movie but this is a really high detailed prototype that they probably would have sent to Japan to have created and made into toys for kids well it

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     never happen so there's only one of these in existence today the uh Federation fighter uh is in the hands of Ben Lesnik right now so what we decided was we were both going to go hals on it and he got the wing Commander fighter and I got the krai fighter so our our our weird little Lucille Ball schemes go back a long long way yeah I will say by the way Bob Lam mon God bless him he was just bad at picking game licenses his first year with what was the other licenses so his first year was X toys he started a company called X toys at the dawn of the internet age which was in and of itself a dumb idea because you cannot Google X toys and

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     find anything that you want to buy in terms of so he we went to the toy licensing fair and I don't know if he was like in the bathroom when they were handing out the great ones or if he just did it alphabetically or something because he ended up with wing commander and wild wild west and as well as Saturday Night Live he got the character so you can actually go get the action figure of goat boy yeah that that was his second year he tried to do SAT Night Live and it was it was all characters from like 70s skits that nobody you know kids wouldn't care about right and I remember when we saw him we we met him at like a restaurant in Virginia you and me and Paul PA and he was saying uh you know he he had some troubles over the years but he was really going to make it big this

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     time he sees that the next big thing is these mini skateboards and uh he's he's meeting with this famous skateboarder right now right after this that's why he was down in Virginia and he was going to sponsor the line of mini skateboards and that was going to save his company and uh I forget which of us immediately replied oh is it Tony Hawk and he just looked at us and was why does everyone ask me that no and I don't know now granted those mini skateboards actually made a bit of a splash for a little while I don't know if they were the ex toise things but the little kids playing with the skateboards I remember seeing those later going all right so maybe Bob did okay I hope so he was a very nice guy but I mean these these are just a few example of like the

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     crazy weird stuff that we would do to go find the most obscure Wing Commander stuff ever Ben was like the greatest the greatest partner in the world you know so it was wonderful that it's like anytime anything really crazy or weird would go on one of us would call the other and go I just got a lead on such and such you know the win Commander collector cards you know those weird ones from Japan you know I know somebody who has one you know and we'd go figure out how to go find all this stuff it was fantastic we had such a good time well there are more Adventures to come absolutely I'm incredibly excited so how do I get in this free ship Lottery uh you gotta go to the twitch and you know you're you're Joe G I'll

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     just give you a ship no no no you can't do that that's unfair to everybody else okay well you go to the twitch stream um join uh join the commenters there um and there's like a what is it a robot that yeah our next our next one will be in in a in a little bit that sounds great that sounds awesome uh I've been watching you play I am being I'm Blown Away by how good you still are thank you well you know it's it's it's early days we were three missions into the game it's it's averaging about a mission an hour at this point there's no raffle right now guys that's great so we we'll see how I do against some Capital ships and Aces and such but so far like blow the whole stream there's a raffle right now for the ship that they were just going to give me everybody do the everybody join and get and get the ship that they were

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     supposed to give to me well see you later Joe all right Joe G just became my favorite person all right yeah it's really great and all the adventures that it takes you on meeting all these developers what is so fantastic is that the story that Ben told it was wonderful because it literally I I assumed I mean most people have uh Heroes that are sports figures or Hollywood movie stars or political figures or something like that well my my passion just like many of the other people that are watching right now was always game development and I was blown away by once you were spoken to a couple of times and they realized that you weren't like a

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     freaky Nut Job fan uh I would object to your classifying yourself as not a freaky Nut Job fan all right all right I as soon as they realized I wasn't want to hurt anybody they were nice enough to invite me into their homes and I mean I I've gotten to meet so many different people I mean one Chris Roberts is obviously my hero and it was wonderful that you know uh I got I got the opportunity to meet him about 15 years ago uh uh Richard garot uh the creator of the ultimate series is absolutely fantastic I was listening when you had Dennis luet on I got to meet him once he's a fantastic guy it's just these these people are exactly who you think they are the the guys who develop these games are as

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     passionate about the games as you are so anybody who believes that it's just a nine-o-five job to these people is dead wrong these guys live eat breathe and sleep space SS you guys you guys have the best team in the entire world and I'm so so glad that you are able to bring these dreams to life for all of us well thank you very much it it's it's absolutely true you know we we read all this drama on the internet and it's the base thing is these are all human beings who are just they really care about this everybody really cares about this uh and they're good PE every Everybody I've worked with has been a good person uh who cares about making a game not not getting rich or anything

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     like that well I am totally looking forward to you guys releasing uh uh Star Citizen and releasing the single player game so that you can look at all those naysayers as if to say what was the problem you guys got to calm down I love it stay Ted for citizen con you're going to see some serious uh stuff yes all right Joe uh thanks a lot there're still people are still submitting for a raffle that doesn't exist right now all right I'm glad I was able to do my job yes guys once again he was talking about our raffle there's no actual raffle going on right now yes there is you can you can stop entering raffle secret bye Joe bye see you later guys thanks for coming on Joe we really

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     appreciate it that's that's Joe gity and uh that is a very brief slice of what my life was like before cig yeah he's now my favorite person he's Joe is a very good guy uh guys no raffle stop entering there's not you're not entering anything into anything all right let's see back let's play Win command for a bit on our wing Commander stream yes it's like Jurassic Park is there going to be our some Wing commander on your your wing Commander live stream Park yeah all right hey sh glass you met maniac and Bossman over there yet what happened I don't know you trick on there you go maniac's a real lunatic a

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     good pilot but way too erratic he was coming up when the flea bags put me out of commission just between you and me I'd rather fly alone than with Maniac on my wing boss man's another story though he's a real team leader a crack pilot with 17 years behind him by the way references like that are what make Geeks build giant timelines blown up at least one every classic Kathy have all right let's meet Maniac I'll by the way this will be a cond because he's he's acting like he's introducing us for the first time uh whereas we know from the larger win Commander timeline that we went to the academy together that we uh were in the win matter movie together

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     um in fact let's talk about timelines right after this oh can we he sound so excited um Ben loves talking about timelines a lot of people are like the movie changed everything or the TV show changed everything it was actually in the back story at this point that they had been at the Academy together they just he still introduces himself hey Bandit I'm Maniac glad to meet you butthead boss man says we're going to see some action against some battleships soon butthead I I don't know why it could make I got a Biff thing I didn't I didn't touch nothing are you hitting buttons I can't wait dodging Flack and fighter cover to make missile run at the Destroyer Butthead that'll be a

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     rush get in there quick waste the mamaat and then pick the kittens off one by one buted that's the way to do it I love how they talk in these games you know there's kind of a weird dialect you go Sport and mama cat and all that sit down Bandit they call me boss man I've been watching you you look good for a rookie you handled yourself well in a dog fight but we're going to face some bigger ships soon all right some serious action none of these buttheads a lot of young Pilots get

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     excited when they see their first Destroyer just what do you mean by that boss they lose their heads and they go straight in for the battleship then a light fighter they forgot about blast them from behind big ships move slow and turn like pigs thing to do is clean up the fighter cover first then go in for the Battleship by the way we're using the term Battleship very Loosely if it also refers to a destroyer um I've saved my game already so we can go ahead um although we learn in the novel Wing

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     Commander Fleet action that the uh turn Battleship does not exist in Wing Commander supposedly so uh well boys the Confederation is getting ready to mount a major offensive so we're expecting several Supply ships within the next 48 hours hey but scanners show increase go wrath activity in this system don't be reading my lines we've got to clean up the enemy present here at mcy M mola before the tankers and sports start to arrive tomorrow we've detected a large bogey about 990,000 clicks out it jumped in about 20 minutes ago and seems to be heading this way it might be just a transport but it's probably a small warship Bandit you and Paladin are going to go out and get a look at

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     it and destroy it if you can Faith lad but that'll be a challenge here's your flight plan if the bogey continues its present course in speed you should meet it here and nav one we've detected a fighter escort in the area as well so be on the lookout for additional bogeys the colonel has bogey fever Bogies we're Bogies what's up dud dismissed so what ship are we flying

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     this Vision it's so simitar you get assigned with one exception later on one one ship first star system so am my keyboard over there um now what a coincidence all my wingman were talking about how to attack a capital ship and now I'm uhing going to do that hey good shot Commander what the heck

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     voice was that good it's good Paladin yeah it started off like Irish and then went Russian like I I went from Scotty to Czech off that was bad the uh Mass drivers really cut through those draw that they do I only played Wing Commander once the first Wing Commander once I I I I joined the series in Wing Commander 3 oops I up pal in this game you can just kill your wingman they don't fight back they will complain but they won't fight back starting win Commander 2 if you hit them more than once uh in Rapid sucession they declare you a traitor and uh kill you uh Ben is piloting guys he this this is a Ben live stream he is

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     keyboarding and mousing it now God I did again it's that's what's the wrong with controller balance it's the fact that we don't know which is which no it's that there are so many threads about keyboard and mouse it's Leeps into your brain then is using a joystick and keyboard this the first encounter with the cramp this crap be happening this a um by the way what is a cramp why does it have two cockpits no one knows that is a bit of wi Commander Laura that has not been expounded upon I noticed just then that Paladin was uh injured I want him to form on my wing in fact I think I'm going to send him back to the ship so that the Flack

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     from the Rari doesn't uh ah so the monkey boy can fight your wingman uh in later Wing commander games your wingmen uh can only die at certain points you know if if you need somebody for the story they will just eject uh in this one everybody is killable at any time I can I can lose a wingman uh on any Mission so when I see somebody taking damage to their nose like that I uh try to send home no he won't do it afraid I can't defend it ly let me loose with you no I don't want you dying why do the kiloi speak English uh there's a translator the translator they have terms for monkey boy is a Kathy word for monkey boy uh in fact the lore actually

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     has been expanded in that area um we do know that the there are monkeys that on Kil that remind them of humans just like there are cats on Earth that remind them of us okay here's our first attempt of taking out a capital ship can't say for sure how this is going to go Zari uh it weighs 18,000 tons according to copy protection and uh we're going to try to blow it up now one thing they will tell you is by they I mean your ringman between missions is that you need to use your missiles on Capital ships uh the truth is missiles don't actually help that much uh oh when you bu the mouse it makes M that's what was saw doing that earlier but I will fire my Dum fires by the way simitar

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     has five missiles it's got three heat Seekers instead of one still has the two dumfires dumfires are useful against Capital ships um and uh some of the console ports change the balancing by doubling the number of missiles this an interesting fact one of the exciting things you're going to learn from this live stream oh oh gosh yay I just killed a Rari see how easy that was that later so what you're saying is that if I use the mouse and use keyboard we can actually do co-op Wing Commander yeah Co-op Wing Commander or we could play Win Commander Armada which allows her cop wi Commander such a shill available on gi.com

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     benefits me in no way for you to buy it but I think you should my brother is calling hold on just a moment hello you got away pretty clean sir oh uh he's my brother is here Al would you go let yes Sandy had me bring out this wi Commander hat her office display as well oh nice Mission debriefing 600 hours why are they always at 6 6:00 in the morning nice job Bandit thank you you too Paladin congratulations to the both of you the kid did all the works sir I was

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     just Lo for the ride those kathi destroyers really aren't much to worry about sir I don't know Bandit they had you outgunned as well as outnumbered now to review the mission recorder shows she killed six Bandit and none for you Paladin what the by the way we've identified the big bogey as a Rari class destroyer perhaps they identified it by our seeing it good job take taking her out that's all dismissed Paladin think about what you've

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     done all right hey there Bandit get you something I'm glad to see you and Paladin getting on so well he'll be retiring soon you know been flying Fighters for 20 odd years and now they're putting him out to pasture he and I used to start fly together back before the war started darn good man the old clal missing who's being retired pal actually retires in one of the mission discs and gets replaced by another pilot I'd like to tell you lad it's been good flying with you we'll be pulling out of molive soon and the K likes to shake the wings every now and then so let me give you one last piece of advice young Wing

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     ain't going to stick by you the way I have lad actually you ignore my orders the one time I tried there's no criticism of lad just a fact a youngster's got a name to make and a career to think on he'll be looking to make a hero of himself an old man like myself on the other hand well I'm just wanting to make it back I my in one peace you want to do B man Bandit sit down I want to compare notes with you I am the boss man I've been watching the wage raly maneuver and and I think I've noticed something seems to me that when you're hot on a dr's tail and he pulls a loop to shake you he always goes up or down never to the side you ever noticed that I have

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     noticed that well they do always up or down never left or right you know loud I believe you're right I think it's because those big wings block their Vision to the sides but above and below between the wings their vision is clear I actually don't know how they see below but um I will say so the dra in Wing Commander is the inspiration for the scyth in Star Citizen um they were a lot more pancake looking at the start uh today over these years developing we commander games they became more Jagged and Batman but uh back then flying pancakes you to say

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     Lando's boss man sounds like a coherent Bob Dylan I'm pretty much a coherent Bob Dylan in real life isn't that everyone who's not Bob Dylan boby's got some real talent though oh yeah hello what's that did you D your hair we did no it's for the U with it's the 25th anniversary win Commander so we're playing through the game on the live stream and you and talking and being idiots in general EXC acting out all the parts yeah um let's let's play the last Mion of the mcolf series um this is going to be a frustrating one this is our first encounter with an ace um it's not because he's hard to kill well it is because he's hard to kill it's not because he's good it's because he runs away as soon as you hit him uh he's in a

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     salty and you're in a citar yeah vision breing 600 hours they're always at 6:00 in the morning we're going to be leaving m m Olive tomorrow L but first we've got a half dozen Sport and tankers coming in with at least one Kil rothy carrier in system we're expecting the hairballs to make a play for most of the sports here are the assignments for transport escorts the colonel makes the assignments for the wings you draw the last run Bandit and Paladin will take the Last Detail computer display sigh there he is you'll R Vu with the Draymond class tanker here at nav one as soon as it arrives the tanker will head for the Tiger's claw it'll be moving at top speed and

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     won't deviate from its shortest course so you'll have to protect it from any attackers stay close don't let enemy Fighters draw you away from the tanker now one more thing boys and girls intelligence indicates brck Star Killer may be in the area Brak Star Killer sir he's one of kill Ra's best f as a salty light fighter our records credit him with 64 kills counting Fighters and battleships so let's all be extra careful out there shall we Squadron dismissed um speaking of tankers there were five ships cut from the original Wing Commander uh one never had an the art done it was a Kathy Corvette the other four were a tanker variant of the drayman which would have appeared in

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     this this Mission um all four of those were they were cut for disc space if you can believe it that was such a big deal at the time you had to fit this game in three discs and have it loaded in Resident memory um so four ships were done in the original art pass and they were not used uh one was a kathi battleship which became the sear dreadn in secret missions 1 the uh TR tanker version of the Draymond which had a different back end became the diligent tanker in uh SEC mission one um um another one was the Venture Corvette uh which also shows in secret missions one and the final one is the Kathy tanker the lombari which uh you guessed it shows up in secret missions one have we met all the wingmen now um I think we have I hope these two don't do the acting in

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     42 yes p uh I do want you to got you covered ly so we're heading towards the nav point where the transport is and uh we found that there are a bunch of a bunch of crant waiting for it we CR let them destroy I'm just going to stop no no we're not going to do those anymore um so we want to take out as many of these Crown as possible before the transport jumps in I they cut me with my kill down well that confirms that he's Scottish and not Irish he is Scottish I could oh watch you've been doing a moral Irish ACC well I'm not

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     a I'm not a good thing I it's a great Irish accent though I really enjoy it I rammed a cramp right then oh and there's that flash uh was the sping and if you watched uh if you were watching that uh crant right there oops oh god oh it didn't D first yeah so I just hit the I just hit the Draymond with a missile it only took down the shields luckily but uh that is the kind of mistake you can make when you're trying to think of cramp puns in your head I can't do it my Offspring shall avenge me okay your Shields are back up now we're going

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     to escort you along um now it's time to meet Barack star and our goal is to kill him as quickly as we possibly can before he runs away hey I hope you are at least I goes by too fast I can't read it okay so lock on rock you know who's a good ape Tim Roar Roth was a good he was like the highlight of that movie that that terrible terrible movie Tim Roth was a good he was I don't know he was in ring no it was a chimpanze chimpanze general thing General thing I really liked him

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     he was good the rest of that movie could take a long walk up a short pier but was really pleased with Tim moth and of course Stan Winston's effects oh yeah it looks great he keeps calling us a that's how we got on to that conversation are there are we actually had this discussion yes we had this discussion that's how they that's that's how they know that's how they have a word for eight boy okay see he's running and I'm not going to be able to catch him look he's red I'll threw mitell after him but I don't think

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     I'll throw this L yeah he they caught a they caught me with my guilt down I can't do the voicey R I'm hungry they were called Soros all day yesterday shut up Paladin pull your guilt up what is he there's only one salty left what are you referring to why is Paladin flying with his Kilt down pull your kilt up

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     Paladin you're going to lose a drainman chasing after the the ace that's the last Chas the ace already got away yeah the ace already got away okay where the dond go look look how much damage it took cuz we suck and we didn't get the ace you know we might have gotten him I don't know I doubt it I doubt it the missile could have hit him you got away pretty clean sir

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     I always say the same thing every time you come by well if I was if I took more hits they would come well done gentlemen the tanker Commander asked me to commend both I'm just glad to get that sport back to the claw sir now don't you go to scouting the fun and giving the hair balls a black eyad you know what accent he does not enough of that though let's review the mission do my thing you acted up six kill Ry Bandit starting to think you fix the records and Paladin you came up empty yeah there we go we missed uh and I want to see you in my office later Bandit catch you with your kilt

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     down dismissed Alexis just snorted in the back that's what set me off Lesnik come in I need to speak with you yes sir I've been speaking with sector been authorized to promote you congratulations Captain Lesnik keep up the good work thank you sir I'll do my best we'll be leaving ml mlfy soon and I need to make some Personnel changes what's what is it m moli moli it doesn't work

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     with the voice I'm trying to effect of immediately following the jump you'll be real assigned moli I need you in a star Slayer Squadron flying a raptor class heavy mcol Raptor best fighter some people like rap well the rap is a real artist ship yeah that thank you sir you won't be sorry yes sir you won't be sorry good I'm glad to hear it mcalli that's all then Captain dismissed molive first cut scene ter resarch molf 6 kathi Marines invading mcolf civilization civilian

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     research installation met desperate and resourceful human scientists armed with improvised weapons and remarkable Courage the researchers could manage to kill or capture the entire karrai platoon if we had not been done a good job on those missions the researchers would all have been uh executed by the way we should introduce your brother yes uh you should hey everybody joining us recently is the director of bad meat Mr silus Lesnik I'm so glad you guys all discovered bad meat these 13 years later well now now they're calling out for a sequel

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     course bad meat too still spoiled oh god um what's going on nothing much did she bring us food did not R in some Star Wars doys even better that's better than food um yes syus here also lives in Los Angeles he's there well before I did he is a Hollywood guy what do you do I'm a I'm an entertainment reporter for coming soon.net two meat too spoiled two meat too spoiled two meat too spoiled now I'm actually a vegetan so I don't know how I can how I can that's why it's bad meat no that's why it's bad meat we're going

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     to reexamine the title we're going to approach it from a new angle I like the blue yeah are you going to keep it no it's just wash out die right now think we think we hope we hope would you like to read a part in uh in Wing Commander sure who can I play well you could be uh shock here the give me shot glass the gruff Bartender Hey there Bandit welcome to the gimle system that's my vacation spot of the empire of KRA gim's habitable world is one huge Forest kilrathi Nobles and officers come here to hunt with their be claws I hear they bring human PS here and turn them loose in the

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     woods just so those hairy brutes can get their kicks by hunting them down man I'll be glad when we kick those flea bags out of the sector gu's racist apparently ice man let me give you a tip kid never rush a JY head on a JY carries six front mounted laser cannons first shot takes out your Shields next will blow through the cockpit into the reactor let me point out two things here first of all he's wrong about the jel environment it has four laser cannons and two Neutron guns second of all if I made it through the Space Academy without learning that I shouldn't run

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     head on into a six shooting enemy ship I probably shouldn't be Captain I have been reviewing our data on Z kti Star Fighters she's Belgian our information indicates that in all cases their side armor is weaker than that of the front or rear one more reason not to play chicken with a jolty you're really on this indeed M the best attack line would be from the flanks by the way for those who caught me earlier I saved this as Dakota one it's actually gimly one uh idiot point for me

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     Let's uh let's visit the gimy system this is the winning system we're still on the winning path um if we'd lost we would have gone to the brimstone system where we would have been assigned as a wingman Maniac now they know how to punish you all right boys and girls listen up we've just jumped into the gimle system and we've got some work to do gimle has been occupied by the Kathy for some time the claw is not the first Teran ship to arrive we've got a handful of battleships already in the system most of these ships are currently under attack by kathi so we'll be dispatching fighters to help in their defense the colonel quickly assigns the wings yours is the six assign Bandit you'll lead Zeta Wing to assist the exitor class destroyer angel will fly on

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     your wing here's the scenario the exitor is currently at nav one her Skipper reports that at least three kill Ry fighters in the area you'll head straight to the exitor and help in her defense when the Kathy have routed come on back home any questions not going to wait okay let's go peros skathi Squadron dismissed you know my favorite thing to do as Captain this boat is to ask if there are any questions and then not wait for a reply it's Captain's privilege here is the Raptor heavy fight figh is the heaviest human fighter I will be allowed to fly um oh the Tiger's Claw is actually under

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     attack I was going to show you what this ship was look I've got four guns including two neutrons [Applause] now the only thing is you have to be a little bit more careful about how you aim them because you can very easily Miss and you run down your gun capacitor um in general when the Tiger Claw is attack it's not really a threat it has a whole lot of hit points oops but I get Angel s watch it see BL there's just there's so much in this game like i' I've taken out his shield generator it doesn't tell me but I can see because his shield all winked out at once uh it's

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     you heard it here first folks Wing Commander it's a cool game it says there's enemy near where there's two oh here I'm I'm actually flying with some other ships I've got two uh two uh the cap the tiger cap is helping me another pair of raptors but see like two hits if I can aim line them up right just destroy these guys to L I'm slower and L removable than when I'm a hornet you perform your duty well mon all right let's go save that

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     exitor okay um an exitor actually has a bunch more armor than a uh by the way would wouldn't would wouldn't you be surprised if oh look it's JY wasn't somebody just talking about those glad to have you with us Captain Lesnik Mayday all Confederate craft please assist that text went by too quickly for me to

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     read uh I just accident turned out a video here DRS they're tremendously slow so I can hit it very easily even with this heavy fighter how you doing oh you're not doing so good although that may have been everything I have to do to help you so yeah in my first battle with uh the heaviest Kathy fighter they're not the

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     best Kathy fighter they're also graa which we'll encounter in a bit that's kind of their space superiority fighter you got away pretty clean sir again I promise I'm going to think of something else to say when you get back Mission De briefing 6:00 in the morning I think the time never worked properly I just got word from the skipper of the Destroyer Bandit actually I believe the time is looking for something in DOS that it

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     can't find that's why it's well done those JY are the best of Kari have they were pretty tough sir but we got the job done actually mon the Confederate Raptor has only a 54% chance against the jolty really much you're a nerd Angel all the more reason to be proud of yourselves Captain Deo well let's review the mission report you took out seven kill Ry Bandit good job thank you and Angel you came up empty that's all the first metal finally everybody's wearing

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     blue there are all the people that Dennis was talking about drawing earlier everybody's for meritorious conduct in confronting the kill WTH the enemy I award you blue hair doesn't take this long to read in the gimly system on are about 26541 123 the Teran Confederation is proud to present the gold star to Captain Lesnik your courage is exemplary of the Confederation finest

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     Defenders what does your name tag say per good job burol congratulations why is everybody standing here thank you sir I always he look sort of like s go with pride you meet your applause your fellows so they do the voice they do full voice in super Wing commander and they read all the narration just like somebody has to see the killboard oh why believe we can do that climbing on up 30 kills in six missions that means we're a third of the way through the game by the

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     way cool want to start another ship giveaway yeah let's give away a ship and while we do that we can let me save the game and then uh we could talk about some of this junk I brought with me sure what ship should we give away um um how about a hornet tracker ooh a hornet tracker hold on guys we haven't started it yet it's going to be a hornet theme day wait for it wait for it and the raffle is now open so do your exclamation point raffle and you'll enter to win a hornet tracker and we'll let this go for a while so let's change cameras oh I got to do this you back the

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     keyboard hey did you know that we have blue hair I did know that no I'm looking at the camera oh okay we like having a tender moment you're it's always these tender moments let's talk about books books um everyone loves buying books of things and people who like Wing Commander are no uh no different I mentioned this handsome fellow a little bit earlier the uh the wing Commander one and two ultimate strategy guide um and this is available to you with a pledge of $20 or more to our ton um no no that it's available for like 98 cents on Amazon and a zshop if you'd like um it's by Mike Harrison who uh I

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     don't know who that is uh no he was uh WR a lot of these but anyway I mentioned earlier this is in Universe um well half of it is in Universe part one the Memoirs of Lieutenant Colonel Carl T lefong carong um who has styled himself here as the Kathy War's greatest Ace so uh Carl Leong car Leong thinks very highly of himself um and it's essentially and you you they did this on X-Wing they did this for King's Quest space quest uh it's it's a narrative it's all a narrative it's Carl Leong's and they start from when he starts at the Academy in the class of 54 he talks about you know having a rivalry with Maniac um uh so on and so forth and they they just like claw marks they come up

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     with excuses to have information about the game um possibly the most interesting thing today is it prints the enti all the AI Maneuvers from the game right here um so and I can't imagine anyone ever memorizing this for the purposes of actually playing wi Commander but uh it has all the situ we know if the enemy is far away and ass salty has no damage there's a 100% chance he going to try to intercept you uh and if it's almost destroyed there's a 100% chance it's going to run away full afterburners happen to turn to the left they yet they so the various things they say are correct the they don't turn up and you know like the draw the only turn up and down um and they have it for the aces too so here's our here's our all buddy Brock Star Killer we missed him we missed getting him that one time he will appear towards the end of the

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     game you get multiple chances to kill the aces if you miss them wait a minute go back to this picture here go back to show this picture again is this a cat person wearing a cat helmet yes it is all right and that how with the ears on them they they had did actual props of them for the uh games um walks you through the entire entire game Mission by Mission told in the first person they include the losing missions uh by put you sometimes they'll have them flown by other Pilots like it'll be a dire entry by Angel flying some mission that you don't do in the game um sometimes they play with it so you actually do fly them and uh it's a great it's very very interesting book all sorts of little details about the win Commander Universe it does wi Commander one and two and uh and

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     uh this this part I thought was boring when I was 11 years old I think it's incredibly awesome now part two is the making of win Commander 1 and two and uh it starts off with uh an interview with Chris Roberts there's there's an especially handsome photo of Chris Roberts Circa um and it's this is this is the stuff that ultimately would inspire me to be really interested in the making of the game is it's it's it's they talking about the culture at origin and just how much fun they had making it um you get a full right up of Chris Robert's career and then they go in and they talk to all the uh the other developers back I bet Dennis Lu is here somewhere more inspector Jeff George designer Dennis

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     Le Dennis lay uh who we spoke to earlier gosh he looks like me or he did back then uh Glenn Johnson other artist on Wing one who I believe is the guy who did those line drawings of the ships looks like yaff at Cotto is um so if if uh I I don't think you're supposed to suggest this because it's probably technically legal but if you check out pixel's origin Adventures he's got a full PDF of this uh if you're interested in software development or what it was like back then or Wing Commander read that PDF or buy a copy on Amazon for pennies in the dollar um here's the German translation uh with a weird cool German version of the wink matter art uh

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     unfortunately the German version does not have any of the making of stuff it's just the just the game story guys you only need to enter the raffle one time it only counts one entry I'm just looking to find the name Carl Carl he's still Carl lefong Carl Leong Carl Tong Carl T Leong um that was the official guide to Wing Commander one a great name was it great name it's a great name um this is an unofficial guy to win Commander uh by a guy named Mark manasi he was famous most for uh writing big big technical books you know Microsoft server whatever and uh for a company called cyx and uh apparently he used his influence to convince them that he

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     should write a guide to Wing commander of Circa 1993 so this is this is kind of the ultimate guy to win Commander before there was full motion video um and it's it's unofficial so they had to draw all the art themselves um this this was like my Bible for a couple years when I was a teenager um a lot of the facts are wrong the wi Commander history but it's it's very well written it's got uh it's it's a cool book uh if you ever want like a a very thorough technical Guide to the missions in win Commander one that's that's your choice this was my Bible when I was young a lot of the facts were wrong and how is that different from any other send your letters care of Ben Lesnik Cloud Imperium games Santa Monica California

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     90401 um we also have Wing Commander Freedom flight by uh Mercedes Lackey and Ellen Guan um this was the first in a quasi successful series of win Commander novels from Bane Books um this one was written by go on it's a novelization of secret missions 2 the first mission pack for win Commander one um which is also the setup for win Commander 2 um they they they actually play with narrative really interestingly then they they had a whole add-on designed to set you up for the next game uh this is the Novation of that it does not have blue hair uh it mentions him in passing once calls him Blair and before uh before fans went back and figured out that they actually called him that back then it was like what a funny coincidence there's a background character named Blair um this is written in very much

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     the same style as the game it came off I remember thinking it seemed a little bit kidy at the time I realize now that this is this is the wing Commander novel that's actually like Wing Commander um after this the series was picked up by a guy named Bill foron uh and he had a variety of co-authors for five or six novels and um he uh he write today he writes uh he G writes books with uh nuk inrich um he writes conservative leaning military science fiction back then uh so it made the win Commander Universe seem a lot bigger and more interesting and political um which really appealed to folks as teenagers they're still fun books but this this one gets the spirit right and it's it's actually

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     novelization of part of wi committer one so I figured I'd share that that is also available in German uh the only other book related impr one I have is this which is a folded up advertisement for that novel uh it unfolds to be a four-color poster um they never sold a poster an for Wing Commander one but you can get one for the first novel cool and now I've talked about novels for a while so let's do something else yeah with that we're going to close the drawing so the raffle is closed hope you got your entries in uh this raffle is for a hornet tracker and uh let's see who wins the winner of a hornet tracker Von 44 Von 44 he is the winner

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     of The Hornet tracker joined twitch today nice just for this so hey bordon thanks for thanks thanks for watching uh send us a a private message on Twitch here right to the cig Community Channel with the email address that you use for your Star Citizen account uh if for any reason you don't have a Star Citizen account you can sign up for one at and then message us and tell us the email that you used and we'll award you your Hornet tracker sometime this week or next week thanks um now I know everybody knows what's next in the game so I'm going to continue teasing you let's have a little Skype call um reach out to Chris Reed he is the uh gentleman who runs wcw.com uh we go way back I thought he would talk a

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     little bit about the win Commander fandom says he has a a couple things to show off so let's uh let's Chris read it up nope let's read this book no nope I don't know if you can hear the Skype sounds or not but I can he is not responding there he is oh there we go hello hey look your Skype picture is with the uh Ki statue on my desk hold on there appears to be some lag we're hearing ourselves mute your uh

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     there go your stream please hey look your Skype picture is with yeah can do you have headphones Chris I can get headphones yeah CU cuz we hear ourselves looping through okay one second okay why don't you tell folks who Chris Reed is um Chris Reed is just a fellow Wing Commander nerd uh he and I came up together we started WC news uh we actually we we initially reported news for a site called Wing Commander home sector starting in uh 1994 uh 95 95 uh we uh we did such an awesome job there that we kicked out the guy who founded it and uh then origin came to us and said it was Neil Young

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     president of origin Circa 1997 he came to us and said hey you guys are awesome website dudes will you start a new Wing Commander website that can be the official one and uh we did uh we uh helped out with the launch of wing Commander secret Ops and we've covered uh Wing Commander stuff ever since uh we've had all sorts of crazy Adventures much like Joe and I and uh here we are today hey Chris um Chris is much fancier job than I do now he's he's the guy who uh puts together 737s uh but uh he's here now and he can tell you himself hi Chris can you hear us I can hear you good uh introduce yourself bit of a feedback loop but uh I will ignore that and just you can probably mute the

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     stream there and then it'll H yeah if you're watching the stream mute the stream okay good idea okay can you see me can you hear me we can see you and we can hear you okay awesome uh so I thought I'd show off a couple of I know a little doggy here is going to jump in the way I thought I'd show off just the variety of different wi Commander releases there are so just for the very first Wing Commander we have the very first Wing Commander that just like Ben showed everybody and then there's numerous PC ports like the Amiga port and then after the expansions came

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     out you had a deluxe edition so it's a very cool blue color so um you see the Black Wing Commander box everywhere stacks of them I've got stacks of them in my house here as you Stacks them in the background uh but this cool blue one came with the secret uh secret missions one and two then you started to get down and down the timeline a bit and you got releases with wing Commander 2 that was part of a a push in Circa 94 93 994 where origin wanted to modernize the look of stuff there's also a privateer strike commander in that same white uh White taupe style and those were nice cuz they came with all the manuals unlike like a cdrom classic that just had a PDF yeah so it's a cdrom so um yeah

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     there was a big deal we had to get when we had to all get CD ROMs in 1994 for wi Commander 3 so um then you know we had them so we rebot our games on CD there was also a a number of crazy platform ports so this is the FM towns Wing Commander some especially handsome guy must have given that to you look at this crazy callars wow crazy as I drop everything here crazy map just like with Ben showed in claw marks but blown up in color in Japanese I can talk a little bit about that actually um origin was always very very successful with Ultima in Japan for

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     whatever reason the AIO in Japan loved Richard garet's fantasy world uh and anything Richard Garett would just sell like hotcakes um they had like pop Idols who recorded Ultima songs there was like there's Ultima board games and Frisbees and flamethrowers and all that um and origin made several attempts to sell Wing Commander it never really held on um this one here uh they included that map because Ultima games always came with a map so they wanted to try this out the same way yeah in fact look at the back of that box there uh you can see it it's advertising the pop Idols who voice uh two of the two voice Angel and Spirit uh that is the port I I'll go through some ports later and we'll go through the long long history of them that is the port for the FM towns home computer

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     in Japan um it was you know before the PC was standard everywhere there were several different uh several different competitors including the uh the FM towns the pc98 a couple of others the uh the FM in particular was interesting because it was the first computer that came with a cdrom standard so they they did uh actually one of the most interesting things they did was a FM towns version of Ultima 6 that Ultima 6 was the ultimate game that came out same year as win commander and it had full voice recorded by the developers at origin it was very much like Jared and I have been reading um unfortunately the uh FM towns version of wing Commander does not take advantage of that it just has speech for the wingman in Flight uh but it does have a full red book audio soundtrack you can use the CD in there

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     as a music CD and uh it has all the sound recorded with an mt32 wow one thing to point out we talked about uh wi Commander movie a little bit and they um Joe G's bright red wi Commander flight suit so that's one of the many many things that are pointed out as being weird or inconsistent but look at this here they are yeah right there eight years before the winrunner movie here's your pilots in your bright red flight suits next to a dery with a giant gun that's really weird um one thing I've noticed about this the Japanese cover art and you may be about to show us another one is that it's all based on the line drawings in uh claw marks and it's it's it's very styled uh super

234. 03:27:38

     detailed that would have been good but I did not pull that out I've got it we'll show it later great to show off that's you have to imagine it got another sealed one I won't be opening this one today but it's a shrink wrap Super Nintendo win commer one which is where I got my start or one of the games that I got my start with uh almost 25 years ago by the way didn't we go and buy that like the day after your wedding we did yes Ben was the U best man in my wedding and my entire wedding uh party were um staff members from the wing Commander cic at wcw.com and uh yeah much of the week weekend of my wedding uh we we spent driving around to different old game stores looking for things um and we found a bunch of cool

235. 03:28:27

     things such as this shrink wrapped original uh Super Nintendo wi commander and you know it's original not restaurant cuz it's got this original sticker um hanger thingy that they used to have and it's been in in the shrink RP for almost 25 years another thing I've got here is super Wing commander and Ben probably has a ton to say about this one this is the uh port for Macintosh and 3DO where they overhauled the graphics considerably and U made made well they kept most of the game but they they added a new campaign onto the end where um you would go hunt down the shipyards that made the dread knot that you dealt with in the first secret missions uh I I will talk about superb in a bit uh but

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     uh I I will say that uh trip Hawkins president of original president of Electronic Arts and he left Electronic Arts to start the three create the 3dio game console which is one of History's great uh lessons uh he came here for a tour y two weeks ago or so week ago two weeks ago yeah yeah I mean your old friends with Chris of course and uh he uh I the only thing I could think to say when he introduced me is I love the 3DO all right all right trip haw walks around the corner you know we have a corner here trip Hawkins walk around with Chris Roberts Chris hey guys uh this is uh uh trip Hawkins Ben just shoots straight up just stands there trip walks up to him goes and shakes his hand and Ben's like I have I bought a

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     3dio I bought a 3DO it was adorable you can see the characters in super wind Commander were also redone along with all the ships so this person is supposed to be Spirit show us Paladin show us Paladin Japanese uh yes get there oh yeah Paladin eye patch got so much cooler now of course you'd think that someone would not be allowed to fly space Fighters with one eye but I am proving that you can do okay yeah it's fair enough there's a crazy part of the lore where um the pilots have these uh cutouts in their hair these lines in their their

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     side and you first see it and you think man this is this is this is really '90s sci-fi they they came they stepped right off of Babylon 5 but then an angel that has it right right here and uh so it's consistent between the pilots what does mean there is a you can probably do a better explanation but last page last page of the manual why shaving off the old block no matter what profession everyone's involved in the war doctors heal the injured hydroponic Farmers Feed the masses laborers construct new ships and people everywhere land a hand jumping jumping jump jumping for example you may notice a change in some of your comrades

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     hairstyles as the war progresses in memory of family members who have died for our cause many Confederation Pilots are carving Memorial shaves into their temples bowing to keep the bald streaks bare until the war ends they're choosing to remember their loved ones by continuing the fight against the empire so they came up with this ridiculous '90s art style and then wrote a small article to explain it I they love it and that's something else I I love your blue hair and next time you can have blue hair and then line yeah we'll sh for rink matter too we'll shave us cheek in the back and then um the last box I think I have is the kathi Saga and so this is when they took Wing Commander one two and three a year or two after that came out and they re-released them all for

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     Windows 95 and this was at one time extremely sought after before uh good old games digital release came out and even before that before dosbox made the disc based games easy to play you had to have something like this if you had a modern computer didn't know Doss and wanted to get it going and there was lotss of advancements too it had better um threr uh throttle Rudder control digital audio things like that so this was a cool uh package anyhow and um this was another example of a big online fan campaign making a difference because initially they were going to um just release a couple the the secret missions but not the Special Operations that came out with wi Commander 2 uh big reaction online uh Ben and I and many people back in 1996 made a big stink

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     about it online and ultimately they did release all of the expansions as downloadable add-ons for the Ki s which actually brings up another Point um another thing that Wing Commander introduced or popularized certainly very early on is uh the ancestor of what we call DLC today um the secret missions secret missions to add-on discs were exactly how DLC works today in fact secret missions one was leftover assets from the original game uh reconstituted and added back into it uh it very much set the stage for what we do today uh wi matter also was one of if not the first downloadable episodic games they did uh wi Comm secret Ops in 1998 uh seven part episodic game free

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     download and now back to Chris Reed um I've got jumping ahead of win Commander one a little bit I've got a CLE couple odds and ends so um this is one of the props uh it's the wi Commander 4 gun kind of like what shot babon it had all kinds of electronics in dads Because I think it lit up but that was a hero prop yeah yeah and then also for wi Commander three got three and four chromart there was a crazy thing where you buy these you could buy these um foil art for three and four so let me fix my glare a little bit there's Wing 4 there another Wing Commander 4 Dragon SL Lance fighter Landing here's the main image for wi

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     3 and famous Excalibur run running away from kurira after the tempo bomb and uh these are these are you know pretty PR awesome you can't they're not they're not as common today so if you've got them hold on to them I know uh I don't know if you still have them there but at one point uh Ben had a set of these lining his guest bathroom so if anybody anybody who stopped by his house could go you know enjoy these while they're sitting on the toilet actually um I think probably when you were here I had three of them the so these came with were without these stupid cheap plastic silver frames um after years of having three with the frames and one without I finally just bought a lot of Star Wars Chrome arts on eBay pulled one of them out of the frame and made a new uh

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     limited edition Wing Commander one so they're in my office at home now yeah we give the remainder of the CH too why we gave it to our friends and neighbors uh Lando and toast yep a Star Trek chromark yeah Star Trek Star Trek chromite right now I know the story behind that toast comes home one day and there's this Star Trek chome on his what's this and I'm like Ben trash hey Wrath of KH is a good one yeah yeah that's why we took it didn't have Wrath of KH I was going to take it so I that what I have for show and tell otherwise I was just going to um talk a little bit about our our history so yeah tell people about WC news what what we do and how they can be a part of

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     it yeah um so so Ben and I both go back about 20 years online now um so in the mid 90s if you were a big Wing Commander fan uh you could go to the video game stores and talk to the clerk who might have read something in a magazine um you know you didn't have the information anywhere near like today obviously it's it was a 100 times harder to figure out what was going on uh but about 1995 it started to grow a little bit so you could have like your AOL keyword origin um you had the uset news group groups alt. games d uh Wing Das Commander you had Origins official um chat Zone message board and so there are all these kind of scattered bits and pieces um and in many cases you know people didn't even have online uh access

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     at home so people were getting online through school uh if there was a you know a trailer released a movie um and it would be like a megabyte or two megabytes which would be potentially too big to download at home when you're being charged you know $5 a minute for AOL so um people would connect at school and things like that um so around 1996 things started to gel though the worldwide web started to take off if you can imagine in 1995 America Online the internet provider it didn't even ship with a web web browser you had the built-in U you keyword origin and other different um subsets of the of the service that you could go visit um but it wasn't until 1995 96 when people started getting good web access and that's when uh various

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     fand sites um started to crop up uh today everybody on the internet they've got Facebook page or Twitter feed or something or you know people have YouTube channels now which is pretty cool for Content generation but back in the day uh people made websites and that was the thing uh you had geoc cities which were free websites uh you know really cool people had their own domains and so we kind of had a constellation of of different Wing Commander news sites Ben did I did and um as we got older and a little more advanced and again you know we're like 14 and 15 years old at this time um we start to um collaborate a little bit and eventually we uh got together um with a few other people uh at a website called

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     introspections wi Commander home sector so a lot of history associated with that um we had a falling out with the person who ran that and started thinking that you know we could make our own Wing Commander news site um and you know one of the thoughts I always had was boy but you know we're really late to the game it's like 1998 all the all the wi Commander sites are already so established I don't know I guess it's worth it we should take a shot and we did and uh 17 years later we're still there um we we set up at wcw.com um in 1998 uh with the help of you origin um who kind of who who linked to our website from Secret ops.com when they released their new um website for that game and um it's kind of gone

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     strong ever since um you know there were some there were some dark days in the early 2000s after um some of the win commander games got cancelled at origin but from about 2002 200 three on uh fans have been going crazy modding games making new games um if you haven't seen wi Commander flat universe it's this incredible top down shooter with uh incredible Graphics it's very challenging right now they're kind of working on interrupt you for a moment we have another Chris R here who would like to join the stream hey how you doing Chris hello all right good to see you yeah good to see you I've got I've got your uh thank you again I've got your My Autograph uh Chris Roberts pal marks never far from my side you're

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     welcome I think I sent that up for your wedding right didn't I yep all right married life doing well it's doing great awesome well it's how we doing where are we on the mission by the way uh we're about a third of the way through we just started the gim system uh next mission is test flying the rap here look at those Graphics spoiled that look at the emotion well Chris you mind if we sign off from you for a bit uh we we'll have uh Chris Roberts uh talk wing Commander W you don't need that I know I don't mean to step in and uh talk Chris thanks Chris all right let's uh let's go there there we go camera's over here we move this since we have Chris

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     here there you hey Chris hey hello everybody why got blue hair I guess it's blue hair time yeah yeah we uh we went blue hair went all out this time he didn't actually have a name in the first game that's right that's how that's what we called him and then I guess later on we just called him Christopher Blair which was sort of a a shortening of blue hair but yeah cool where's where's uh where's toast's blue hair um years I think yeah it started as die yeah I was dared to do it on RTV and then Ben was kind enough not to force me to take the plunge by myself right right so very cool so what's going on uh nothing I'm just getting ready I'm going to I'm

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     heading off this evening to uh the UK so I'm going to be over there for a few uh well more than a few weeks we're leading up to Citizen K in Manchester and then um I'll spend a little bit of time dealing with some Squadron 42 stuff afterwards and then come back here hey we should ask him about that double cockpit kathi ship I I can which one was which one was CR we were curious about cockpit on the crant ear of all the of all the Ben facts that Ben had he could not he did not know why the crant uh crant had two cockpits or two yeah so you remember two cockpits yeah the tandem cockpits side by side we were trying to figure out why you would uh want to ship like that the hard questions asked here uh maybe it's a radar officer or

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     something I I don't think we uh we had the Precision back in those days so we weren't really thinking about that I think uh I think because uh Glenn Johnson did most of the um uh ship sketches stuff and uh I think he just thought it was cool and I thought it was cool it's sort of very uh there was a fair amount of uh kind of anime influence in the spaceships in in Wing Commander one we uh we had dentist the bay on earlier and it sounds like uh your involvement in the art process has not changed in 25 years yes I think uh you know Dennis is a he actually played a pretty nice compliment because you know Dennis was quite famous for um you know I mean not just for me I mean he used to you know uh he he'd he'd have uh he'd get

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     frustrated if he had to change things and so he was quite famous for having a bit of a temper and uh he' done it he on some of Richard stuff too and so um and so occasionally I be go in there i' be like uh you know I think this this could be better Dennis let's change this and then then I'd leave the room and there smashing around and uh and then you change it but you know like after but after wi Commander one uh was out and uh you know obviously it was doing quite well that and Dennis was like well you know I got really angry at the time but I'm really happy that you you made me change that stuff cuz the stuff got better because I did that that's exactly what he said exactly what he said that was kind of nice so so that but that that you know that is a it's part of it's part of the process um so you know occasionally that uh you know uh you know it can be frustrating

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     but that's kind of what sometimes whether it's my process or anything it's just trying to get things as good as possible keep pushing so you know if I'm changing things it's not because I'm changing things because I can it's more I'm changing things because I want to try and make it as good as possible so but anyway that was nice that Dennis said that that was something you said a long time ago but yeah because everyone used to be quite you know like at those times You' be like let's not go close to Dennis let's stay away from the office you mentioned you went through chairs could go flying you mentioned you went through a couple keyboards yeah yeah yeah yeah well cuz you know also back in those days you know like uh now everything we we archive perforce everything else but also back then it was quite easy to uh you know accidentally like lose your work or get deleted or you know wasn't saved properly and so you know besides that I mean it was just yeah yeah Dennis was

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     quite famous for for for getting frustrated you put it that way so you know like you got see all right let's get a get get a new mouse for Dennis somebody is saying ask about Wing one asteroid ask about Wing one asteroid maybe the rock oh yeah no it's like a rock so because we basically I had this I don't know whether I think it was actually a piece of space rck uh but we we basically just uh rotoscoped it would be the best way I guess we just sort of took the actual Rock itself and brought it in and then uh I believe it was Dennis I think he sort of painted on top of it oh that's right and so that's what the asteroids are that come towards you yeah I don't think it was Space Rock Dennis mentioned that he went outside and grabbed rocks well maybe I don't know maybe I do have this little space Rocky thing and I'm pretty sure that we used

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     that and maybe some other ones but yeah that's essentially what we did we did there was a fair amount of rotoscoping and wink Comm out of one so like I said the you animation running um that was uh Paul Isaac on a treadmill with a motorbike helmet on and then benis pained on top of it rotoscoped on top but the same for the hands and joystick stuff so pretty sure if I ran into that rock in real life I'd recognize it anyway so you small like right up here I had I had the rock for a while I don't know if I have it at the house I mean I kept that one for quite a while can you talk about where you got the idea to do Wing Commander Wing leader Squadron Squadron Squadron where you got the idea like what don't we ask this on the the the the live stream yeah this question but not I mean basically yeah I like science fiction I like uh uh War um you know like air

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     combat you know top G all other things together so it was sort of like and there was a there was a novel called the Forever War which was also another inspiration so kind of the idea was well you would you know it would be pretty interesting to have this future War where you're a a pilot fighting you know on the good guy side against this implacable foe that you continue to fight against and I sort of based it on um World War II war in the Pacific uh and you know sort of combined a lot of elements that I like from various movies I mean I'm a science fiction fan and so and I like war movies and so it's it was all those things sort of together in a sort of cinematic sense which was uh I think what what what made wink commanda work was the sense of um that it felt like it was a world and it felt like it you know I mean wink Commander one had a

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     pretty basic story The later ones were more sophisticated but you definitely you felt connected to the world you felt connected to the action because of the setting uh you know and back then that wasn't usually the case in games it was it was more sort of abstracted yes take a couple questions from the maybe well that's what I was doing like not everybody and not everybody watched our our other stream so that's why I was well why not yeah uh Chris aside from the obvious how was working on Wing commander and previous titles differed from working on Star Citizen well besides the obvious besides obvious well that's a hard question to answer besides the obvious I mean the obvious is just the difference in scope and scale um you know the team is obviously you know much much much much bigger I mean you know the the the win

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     Commander team was actually very you know relatively pretty small I mean originally it was just me Dennis helping out in some of the artwork and then we sort of lay you know towards the the back end of the sort of first you know eight months or nine months of me prototyping stuff Paul Isaac sort of came across and start started working with me and Glen Johnson and Dan bonus I can never say Dan's last name uh all started to help out and then as we got closer towards trying to get it out for September of 1990 there was more people that got sort of came aboard to to help us out so uh but I think probably at the end of the day there wasn't more than you know maybe 10 people working on it uh and most of the time there was only you know myself and a few other people so team of two three all the way up to 10 versus we have a team of you know inh house here there's like 250 odd people

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     plus we've got the out of house contractors uh scope and scale and what we're doing like simulation wise is like way more in Star Citizen um so uh it's it's it's it's pretty different I mean yeah know does I do I do want to put you in the world in both ways so at the time you know VGA 320x 200 256 colors uh you know was the way to put you in the world you there you are in the Pilot's recck room or you know the barracks or whatever you know now we can do that with a lot more Fidelity than we than we used to do a long time ago uh what was one thing that that you wanted to put in the first Wing Commander but couldn't uh one thing that I wanted to put in the first Wing Commander but I couldn't um I don't really I'm just trying to think if there was anything cuz Wing Commander one of the games I've

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     done pretty much had everything that I envisioned it having in so there's not really something that I'm like oh I wish I could have done I mean you know besides oh yeah maybe the you know but this is in hindsight yeah the graphics could be be better uh but no I mean I I uh I I it pretty much was the game that I envisioned when we built it so it's one of the few ones that I sort of feel like kind of was exactly what I saw in my mind and and uh that's actually pretty cool what are your thoughts on Scimitar uh it goes back to a thing earlier in the show okay I don't know it's the iconic uh yeah well D is the iconic one that well I the simitar sort of the the it's the one that everybody in the game tells you is awful yeah I mean

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     you know the Hornets the the sort of sta uh I I'm just trying to think it's it was sort of like the medium I don't know it was the older medium that was slower with a heavier gun I mean the whole idea was the Rapier you gets to the Rapier that's the one you're you're going to be you know you work your way to ws and fly uh and the Hornets where you start and the simar sort of like I know the the standard dog that isn't quite I mean didn't have particularly the best like the cockpit wasn't quite as as nice as like the rapist cockpit is kind of cool sci-fi and the Hornet you have decent visibility the CLE has not got as great a visibility so yeah it was sort of I don't know I don't know how to describe it it's sort of like your your kind of average sedan basically you're the Raper who who who in the office was it who clearly saw

264. 03:52:15

     Firefox well no this is I said every pretty much every single one of these uh design so basically what H like uh Glenn did all the sketches for the ships and then we would send them off um to be modeled um in 3D so if you take a look at that I mean a lot of it is like Glenn's a huge um you know sort of jet anime fan um and uh so a fair amount of it sort of has that kind of influence what was the biggest struggle getting the first game made uh the biggest struggle getting the first game made um well I mean just at the very beginning days when I was at origin uh you know no one was particularly you know they weren't no one particularly cared about it I mean

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     it was I was sort of working on my little Skunk Works game and everyone was focused on Ultima and and at the time I was like okay we got to make Ultima ultima's the brand let's make these spin-off Ultima games like Savage Empire and so I remember being in sort of a planning session at origin and there was sort of like the list of kind of like what the release schedule was and it was you know ultimate this ultimate that ultimate that and I think I put my hand said I think you forgot was my game on it oh yeah yeah yeah we'll put this over here uh and you know then of course that changes around later on where there's wink out of this wink out of that but but uh it was it was probably just um you know uh in the early days people um you know really I mean it's not fair to say they didn't care but it wasn't the thing that everyone was thinking oh yeah this thing

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     is going to make you know this is going to be the thing that's going to sell L copies for the company so I sort of worked on it myself and you know got Dennis to help out some stuff but at the time um you know times Aura just come out and we were sort of doing bad blood and that was that was sort of the game that you know okay yeah we need to get that yeah and that will sell so many copies and so I was sort of beg barring and stealing some stuff in the early days of win command and then once I put the protype together and sort of showed it to Robert and I showed it to Martin Davis and Fred Schmidt they all really liked it and uh then uh obviously it was it was a little easier to get uh more traction but in those days also origin was know Richard uh was was essentially I mean yes he uh was an owner of the company but he was set up like a u freelancer so you know Richard and

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     myself and the other people that made games out of origin those times we not employed by origin we just origin we had a publishing deal with origin they gave us Office Space the advanc US money that we could use to pay for some salaries with some of the Personnel that we had on the stuff but we were sort of um sort of considered uh developers um that were independent um so when our EA bought us we all sort of that all changed um but um and so you know that that was the model Origins model because Richard built it that way he wanted it CU he he wanted a publisher that would not screw him over and take care of uh him because he fell screwed over in the past when he had uh you know previous publishing deals and so uh he he set it up in such a way that uh it was uh you know supportive of you know back in those days whatever you

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     want to call you know independent developers or something um so uh you know that was uh that was it was that was one of the reasons why I picked origin um to uh work with because uh you know I really you know I gotten well with Richard and you know I I know the way he set it up was obviously something I was you know it wasn't you know you go do this someone else like uh you know back in those the AA was still was pretty big and stuff like that and uh they you know they had a slightly different attitude about it and I think that's why Richard had set up Arin the way it was was Richard who you had to pitch the game to uh well no no because the way that's what the setup was so the setup was that um essentially I could do whatever I wanted because I wasn't employed by origin but if I was going to we were going to go and you know they were going to advance some

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     money uh against the game do then um I would have to pitch him but in the case of uh wi Commander because times Lord came out I was making royalties on times of law so I was taking the money that I was earning on times of Law and I was using it to pay for the resources I was using so the dentist Le Bay of the world or the Paul Isaac's of the world were origin employees but I would pay for their salar kind of and that's the way it worked for Richard stuff too so he would he would use his royalties to pay for the staff and I would use and so at the very first one with times law obviously I didn't have that so they Advanced some of the money for that but after that once time law came out I was making money I was using the actual money that I made on times law to pay for the um the people working on win commander and then after that it it went pretty well and then he you know and

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     then you know after you know well before strike Commander was finished but after win Commander to you know EA bought origin and and then the situated changed because I had to sell uh the rights of all my stuff to EA instead of Richard gotcha what's the deal with the wing Commander ship in Ultima well I mean we just we we thought it would be fun to do a little sort of cross pollenization between the two games I mean you know so uh so Richard put one and I think in I think in we we put um some ultimate stuff around in in various Wing command stuff too this goes back to a bit earlier in the show uh is there any wink Comm meor memorabilia that you have that you

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     refuse to let Ben have I refuse to let Ben have uh well got I think there's a I don't know what we got around here I mean I know Martin Davis gave us a win out of one hat but from the old days a very original hat see y Ben's got one doesn't matter no I don't I mean yeah so there you go uh not not particularly I think Ben's probably got more we amount memor really than I do you've got the the the star map from the movie yes that's only one of those yes that's not my wall every time Ben goes upstairs he just kind of stares at it for a little while yeah you know I keep trying to get people to take a picture of it so I can look at all the detail and tell you we'll get one of the hand scanners we'll just do a we'll do a whole we'll do a highres scan of it at some point would you like to try a

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     mission it's been so long you want me to try a mission yeah you want play a mission or do you want to do commentary for a mission I haven't played win command since I made it so that's like 25 years I'll I'll I'll try F we see this is the rape yeah this is rap prot is a good one to try cuz it's you know the Rapier cuts through them but uh right knife through butter I can get out of the way if you want to get in here well if you just do the all right hold on let me rearrange this thing so that you don't have to look off to the sky there you go all right so Chris Roberts is going to play Win Commander for the first time in 25 years it is we're still a for auto pil all right where are we going uh we're not going to do our voice

273. 03:59:28

     acting in front of Chris Roberts are we we've been reading out all the part you already yeah okay you already you to you already talked to maniac and uh uh sorry should go we need the mouse for this part oh we do for some reason the trigger is not uh doesn't work I don't know what f it normally does but oh you I think you've gone out of the window click on ah okay I'm in it I think we've just let it sit here for so long IA need to reload it just reload it you saved it right Ben yeah okay we're reloading who wrote this thing what kind of buggy code's this thank you for playing Wing

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     Commander expanded memory fully used this little further away from your face oh look that's all right continue campaign the uh right lower Paladin this one way I will not be reading the part of this in front of Chris Roberts do it do it let set up for the last Patrol I don't know I can't do

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     it all right like we're all quiet cuz we're like how is this going to go I played 35 years that was the worst so watch yourself in that area once again Chris Roberts playing Wing Commander for the first time in 25 years and us too afraid to do our voice acting in front of him I'm not for the breast want to know how the Raper performs in action so I want you to put her through her faces you're not doing it right good job Bandit you lucky bloke let me know

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     how she feels now I don't want you going nuts out there Bandit is that your oo that was somehow my o this is a hot piece of Hardware but it hasn't been tested Under Fire no one really knows what she can do or what she can't I understand sir don't try anything too fancy a blue head from the south good you guys did that now if there aren't any questions true sir all right invisible Squadron dismissed by way why does he constantly ask for questions and never waits to see if anybody has any questions there the first rap here

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     guys so mad at we have a raper inside of Rapier now all right graphics anyone out there who is Ever frustrated by the mission design with the uh asteroids everywhere this this is your moment my's on my wi uh angel

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     not I thought I wasn't that far away oh you hit the nap point in the middle and then it switched to nap two okay how the asteroids space Angel s enemy Target where are you where are you we got here that's so d I know g g i well I did I

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     did do G ah there we go that's how everything be this slow back of the day we a playing I am compl

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     playing good job Angel okay break attack all right our first encounter with braet these are the karath space superiority Fighters they' got four guns like the human heavier ships lasers and a pair of mass drivers shot of you playing is hilarious

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     I can off there they selection any Wess saw on I guess I'm

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     not he's played more recently than die what frame rate is this what frame is this get locked at I don't hly don't know those are the useless Miss Rockets radar program this thing really glad when we got the chance to

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     have Chris play we put him up against grath at least we can't be accused of making this easy for him now it's all right's where the official guy comes in up the and see the AI routines enemy damage and is near there's a 50% chance it's going to try to tail you and a 50% chance it will strafe I'm going to start using my

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     throttle now J that right come on go yay where is he going you got him oh still right God I was like all

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     cocky take him out well we've been meaning to show this we've been talking about what point we show the last grood I just going head on well I didn't that much damage actually look um yes that's appropriate thank you has been cut short who can say what Bandit might have accomplished for the Confederation all cocky and like going ah head on pass with the gra yeah the end the end you know what we

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     should get while you're here on the stream what the proper pronunciation guide for the karath fighters what's that that's a selfie dry CR graa jaly Doria Rari fraly that's it there you go why do we not pronounce him like that well you know there was no uh no speech back then so oh yeah yeah now we have the official Chris Roberts pronunciation well kathis are like kill they kill and they have lots of Wrath so that's why it's Kathy and it was actually a temp name and then it sort of stuck as they always do is I have to imagine that's where dorier came from yeah because it was kind of a doy looking the idea do here

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     dorky looking ship yeah exactly I told you L you you did you did H all right Ben are you going to play that show us how it's done yeah I can give it a shot I can I I can see I'm actually kind of annoyed myself cuz I like there was one guy left and I just thought oh I just blast him in a head on pass I wasn't paying attention obviously cuz my my was my shoe wasn't damaged until then was it had a sparking on the front I wasn't seeing anything in my cockpit it's back you mess me out yeah it's loading oh asking me to now tell see how to

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     produce pronounce GS properly oh actually you know there's one from Seeker missions 2 that I think still nobody knows how to pronounce it's HH r i SS yeah that would tell you'd have to ask who did that Ellen be right I think so Ellen well gu the time I'm not great at asterids who's good with

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     asids well that didn't go just right to you just don't hit the don't hit the rock there are a couple there that randomly just come shooting right at you and then you get screwed yeah I remember that before s have on table let's see Ben shot any want TR like I wonder want the frame that that's definitely there what's the tape light the bottom

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     right the corner there's an auto like there's a tape the tape flate does not do anything in this game wi Commander 2 has a mission recorder that uses it yeah I I think it was just had of spoil nowadays frame rate Graphics

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     detail how fast do you think Ben Lesnik heart is beating right now he's killed them all there's a line about how the student has become the master here I can't

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     remember what it is though still screw up the landing good still plan they're posting your your beats per a minute right now have pizza you got to away pretty clean sir yeah cleaner than I did I didn't even having a check light I'm very

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     upset I went from like thought I had like full stuff to be killed but you really have no one to blame but yourself in any way in any direction welcome back Bandit what' you think of the rap here Lally you lost to yourself she's quite a ship Sir I should have done head she slid through the it's really when you think about it whenever you play Wing Commander whoever wins it's still you a lot of Aon did a bunch of the yeah can hear Angel voice Chris I believe that it will prove more

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     effective even than the Raptor especially against the more CLE Fighters is that that half very well then I'll pass that along to Tactical I've already reviewed your flight Recorder's mission report that's what the tape light was for see they need a whole tactical Department to determine whether or not their a is good we have a message board of people comparing the stats all the time an angel came up that was very nice was it f shut her out although I did uh we get started I did give you quite a bit of props for having a widescreen television in the in the in the meet in the room there oh in the in the uh years years before WID screen television

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     existed yeah there you go a widescreen television yeah we maybe it's a fat screen we never know could be could be let's look at the killboard is Captain Lesnik 36 kills kills huh seven salties what character is Major Casey uh that's Iceman ice man so how much do you like topun uh I like topun know Iceman and Maverick Iceman and Maverick yeah I tell you that's I said it's Top Gun and space movies and World

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     War II stuff all like smash together yeah no it's that kind of sort of cocky pilot Vibe so it's cool all right very nice do I have to do some shopping for my trip though oh all right I'm going to go do that after I got killed playing my old game from 25 years ago yeah you I'll take one couple more questions I oh yeah let's see all right you want to switch to to switch to camera oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so guys couple more questions before Chris has to take off see what we got here questions it's not really a win 3 question but what was it like working with Mark Hamill uh L win 31 but yeah yeah uh no it's great Mark's really really nice guy

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     so it was a lot of fun um he's um super call S enough B he's a really nice guy ah Chris can you sign the wing Commander box that we're giving away at the end of ouram sure sure good idea do we have a Sharpie back I've got Sharpies over here okay not a question but a very good suggestion gold one so the Box we're giving away will be signed we'll wait till he's done signing before we ask him a question should I make sure I got you got the got the ingoing going

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     there you go how difficult was it making the graphics engine in Wing Commander 1 as efficient as possible given the hardware limitations at this time uh it was uh it was pretty different it was all written in uh that was all written assembly so the there was a a Sprite routine that could scale and rotate uh images and then we just fed the various uh depending on why you were in 3D space why don't we pulled out one of 36 images and then we would scale and rotate it so that was all that was cycle counting and writing the most efficient Loop to to draw those um so that was probably the last time I actually did assembly code gotta guys there's no raffle going on doing that just makes it harder for us to have questions for Chris um uh how does it how does it feel with

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     the stamp Wing commanders left on the games industry raffle sorry that's the people entering raffle that doesn't exist I know I know uh now it's uh it's pretty flatter I mean to be honestly I until I came back to do Star Citizen uh I didn't I didn't have an appreciation of perhaps uh the amount of people that really like liked it uh but with Star Citizen I I got much a better I because obviously you know there's a lot of people that back Star Citizen but also just general people in the industry because it's been a while so I think when I was making uh you know Wing commander and then even for the years afterwards there's a lot of people that I think played Wing Commander that didn't get into the industry until later so now I run into a lot of people that said oh you know it's one of the first games I played and not really one of the

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     reasons why I get the industry so uh so yeah it's it's cool I I don't think I really I really understood the the impact until recently and that's partly because I I get to interact with so many actual people that play games versus being purely on the you know publishing press side which you normally do if you're at EA or Activision you just deal with you know e stuff that abos 3 talking to press and that's kind of it so that's kind of the nice thing about doing a crowd fronted game talk to the real players instead of uh the professional players I guess what was the first big thing you bought for yourself after win Commander hit uh after win Commander hit uh I first thing I B for myself was a Lotus spree turbo so I was a kid you know it's like

301. 04:24:58

     that's you don't care you don't like you not get a house or anything you're like oh I want a sports car so uh you know seen it on James Bond and yeah so that was basically uh what I I think that and a Porsche career for so so and then I sort of decided that maybe I should spend my money on some wiser things but I yeah I've always been a bit of a sports car person by the way when when when I got the job here after the crowdfunding campaign I bought Legos so question should be about Wing Commander guys this is the wing so we're picking questions about Wing Commander uh hey what I miss oh nothing you didn't

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     miss anything you brought us pizza just brought us pizza yeah um all right so maybe one question then we eat some pizza cuz I am starving let's see uh is there anything about Wing Commander you would have done differently a very common question no no that's I I was saying wi Commander is pretty much the game that that when I sat out to do it it was the game that ended up being was a game that I saw so it was like one of the very few games that uh I mean the like strike Commander kind of end ended up that way but it took more work and more craft to get it that way uh but there's nothing in Wing Commander I look at and I say I would have rather done this differently or better um there are that wouldn't have taken that Groth I had on well that's PL uh no I'm fired aren't I what that no I just saying the game itself it's just

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     like the features how it played that was was was the feeling that I wanted at the time so that I I don't actually have anything that go back and say oh I wish I'd been able to do that um it just sort of kind of fell into place so it was one of the one of the few games that did that I mean obviously I think that's more difficult as time goes on and things get bigger and more complicated to get everything to work becomes harder but the you know I've I think I've said many times we designed all the missions on paper and we never changed them I we didn't I I cannot remember going and like balancing it like now we'd like play and test and we be like o this is a bit hard this is easy and move it around on this pretty much like we just put it all in and it kind of worked uh and we also didn't have much time because back then everyone was like you know with origin it was like we need to get it out for the Christmas season has to come out

304. 04:27:24

     for September and if you miss back back in those days because the retail process took so long and it wasn't you know now there actually retail can get to Market pretty quickly but then you had to like get it to the warehouses and the warehouses get out to Little M and pop stores and so like if you weren't getting it out in September you like could missed the Christmas season so there was a lot of pressure to get the game out in September so uh you know we I think I mentioned it in the interview we did on the the round the verse that you know that was what happened in the last three or four months of the project a bunch of people in at origin not that we had a massive amount but a fair amount of the people you know even our Richard's project came on and last two or three months everyone helped out to try and get out the door and that's we made September which was uh that was that was the time we need make and we did the rest is history gotcha last question before we let you go

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     why cats uh why cats uh well I'm allergic to cats but no that's not really the reason uh no I I was kind of I was thinking of a alien foe that you would fight against and at the time didn't want to go sort of you know lizard or insectoid which are the other sort of default uh kind of alien race that you would fight and I wanted the kathi to be this sort of you know almost like a sort of Bido Samurai sort of you know powerful Regal Warrior Race and uh so big cats sort of said that to me so I sort of felt like well we can make you know make them sort of like you know these big sort of big warrior cats that you're you were fighting and where they came from yeah

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     yeah lions and tigers well I mean they pretty much look like lions and tigers that's that I mean that was the model so um so that that that that is why I uh and it wasn't specifically because of I know because there's the kazin in um uh uh the Ring World Series and stuff but it was actually the uh the whole coming to cats was separate to that and then I was like oh yeah that's also what what you know one of the races in the The Ring World Series but but uh it was it was for those those qualities of sort of a re you know a warrior Regal sort of race gotta so he's allusion to cats yeah or the dander on cats basically it makes me makes me sneeze yes hey Chris all right well thank you thanks guys

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     thanks for everyone that's uh played it and love win Commander over the years so it's uh yeah it's I'm always still pretty humbled and flattered when yeah it's I was always amazed that win Commander news was going for so many years afterwards because uh you know you when you originally set made the game it wasn't I wasn't anticipating building a universe and then it sort of went for I mean I tried to build a a Goodwill but I wasn't thinking oh this will be win commanded two three four or anything like that and so it's it's amazing the the the the impact and the longevity and uh so just a just a shame that it's owned by EA basically but there you true have a lot of franchises though I want to take a picture of us with our blue hair and you get our blue hair in there get in there Ben closer there go blue

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     hair okay okay all right see you guys thanks for I got to go catch a path and catch a plane and do some get some stuff to wear because it's not going to be as warm and Eng blood as it is here is there is there something going on in the UK real soon what hi guys bye give our regards to the team yeah all right all right I need to eat all right um well you know this pizza is from Wolf right yes uh by the way the lovely donation of pizza for our wing is from Wolf uh wolf knight uh if you're familiar with the Star Citizen Community uh you're probably familiar with wolf hi

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     wolf well I was thinking how about we SK if he's willing how about we Skype him in while we eat a little pizza take a short break and we could uh chat with him while we uh sure lunch well if for you there do we know if he's watching on let do this see if this is working here we'll just we'll just call you wolf we're just calling you I hope you're wearing pants wolf is ring did we even like gentlemen wolf how's it going of course he's got the Hat on of course I've got the Hat on you know okay the the hats I've got explanations I have uh

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     I I I have this fan club of of very young individuals or you have to assume they're young by the way that they act who need a screen cap for their forums so I had to wear the hat so all right well we wanted to uh first of all thank you for getting us pizza this is awesome um but we also know that you are uh not just a star Cien backer you are a wing Commander fan died in the wool um and we figured you can share some of that if you're interested uh sure uh let me uh let me get my ear phone here so we're not echoing hey guys why why we do this

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     let's go ahead and start another raffle what do you want to give away how about a hornet ghost Hornet ghost Hornet ghost coming up not yet wait for me to wake my computer up here jeez that's loud okay here all right the raffle for the Hornet ghost is now open so stay tuned we'll be drawing as soon as I'm done eating here is the volume this is blowing out my ear drum there we go okay so a vegie any um yeah so yeah diet in the wool uh fan it's

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     uh it's where I got my starting computers honestly which is you know my uh my location today um way way back when uh my first computer was Atari 800 probably I think like 82 something like that uh got my first PC I think in 90 92 something like that um yeah started playing the Ultima series a little bit later on Wing Commander came out first thing that ever challenge my computer my my poor little uh uh 286 8 with the turbo button to to knock it up 12 and

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     um yeah so that uh that got me learning BS that got me learning uh emm 386 you know setting my stacks creating boot discs you know got got got um so that's and you I just went from there that that sparked my interest in in computers and that's where I am today and that's why I've been so involved in Star Citizen uh you know Chris uh you know I feel I owe Chris a lot from uh from the enjoyment I got from his games and fact that it got me started yeah in the computer industry well we're happy to have you on our

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     team be here I'm happy to eat your pizza he getting very hungry so Ben uh this uh this t-shirt you should recognize this oh yes that's from the win command 3 Premier Edition yes it is yes it is stand up give us a little twirl show us the ridiculous back of that t-shirt the ridiculous back the the uh which is considerably fed at this point uh let's see yes twirl monkey can you see it no we're looking at your butt you're looking at my butt it's a fine butt you see it here first folks fan butts there you go there you go heart of the tiger the

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     interactive movie giant piece of plastic on the back of the shirt yeah exactly a you backers out there want to look this up you could actually find online a picture of me at age uh 14 in that same shirt uh it's pretty sad as most pictures of Ben at age 14 are oh and I've got a bit of delay here so I get to see my my wonderful physique that is thankfully however 50 lbs lighter than it was in March so I happy about that so everyone's uh everyone's showing off their boxes um I don't have anything nearly as

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     impressive but I did recently uh pick up a uh colle EXC colle a sealed copy of wing four and as uh Ben has pointed out uh it is a first edition which you could tell by the misspelling of biological right there is that the word biological that we're seeing biological it's it's in the background you can't quite see it oh I can't see it down I don't know what I'm looking at there it is there it is there is yeah yeah biological biological biological um you can blame that one on Trey Herman uh origin graphic designer at the time uh he's the one who told me about it though so I think it's okay to

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     credit him where but artists aren't writers they should uh you should always check their work and vice versa uh yeah I also uh collect uh collector's additions just just for giggles and uh got brought a couple out here this one unfortunately they're mostly for failed games at this point but uh ah R yeah for Mr garet this was a fun one never played that I didn't know that

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     one yeah Hellgate London by the way for those of you who are just tuning in we're on our lunch break for the wing Commander 25th anniversary live stream lunch provided by by a Super Fan Mr Wolf Knight who's on your screen right now uh showing us his boxes and this one is is um the rarest one in my collection there was only a thousand of these made it's a separate hand the that's space Ultimate Edition ooh I didn't know that existed I didn't know that existed not many people did because uh EA never advertised it and I

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     found it just uh wandering their site one day similar thing happened with uh Privateer 2 they first advertised there would be a deluxe edition Privateer 2 you could write to EA to get it there was some sort of mixup and when you actually called to E EA to order it they told you no it doesn't exist which left a warehouse of these collector's edition somewhere and you could find them at like thrift shops like 5 years later because they just sat there EA wouldn't take orders for them they didn't sell them any other way uh so if anybody out there ever sees a huge Privateer box a privateer 2 box that's uh that's why where came from hey be nice in chat guys if you're not nice in chat I'm GNA ban

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     continue who were you talking okay well that absolutely hit the spot y thanks to Wolf Knight and the folks at Mountain Dew for the uh gamer fuel Mountain Dew it is body good gives you the power to Game On Etc um I was drinking Pepsi the choice of my old generation you know you guys have something called H Pepsi Lyman there that I I have not heard of it's not available last year and I figured I'd send some your way just so I could find out what the hell it tastes like well we can do that you know we can taste test

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     we're going to taste test we're taking a break from Wing Commander to taste test whatever Pepsi Lyman is I I I I'm I I I don't Lyman isn't a real thing I ain't going to drink it I will drink it I'll drink the orange you give me the orange I'll drink the orange we've had orange before well yeah that's why let's see lemon I guess lemon Lon yes it has an accent by the way if you're just joining us this is the wing Commander 25th anniversary live stream lunch break it says it has 2% lime juice on the box here because we started a live stream at 12:00 noon without eating anything beforehand at breakfast or lunch because we're smarts not dumbs we're dumbs wolf I'm glad to see

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     that you are also a fan of weird soda variants a has a slightly limey smell doesn't smell like 1990 I I'm going to be honest my first reaction to this was Pepsi and deodorant oh that's that that would not surprise me all right no no that's that's not a good one hold on all right we we'll try it yeah he heard Pepsi and deodorant he like I I got have that that tells you what kind of person you're dealing with here when I'm like no I'm not going to try that tast like Pepsi and

323. 04:43:13

     deodorant okay that's why I sent plenty of Portables in case that one was not the winner and it sounds like that that is case that Pepsi is no longer a sponsor of Star Citizen yeah bed Raptor nailed that one Star Citizen a Coke game I'm a sad Lando would you like to try peps I actually tried it uh two weekends ago was not a he could have warned us but did not well of course not it's far more amusing

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     this well um I guess we should get back to uh defeating the karate in the Vegas sector did the kill Ry make Pepsi Lyman yes be a reason to do so but wolf thank you so much for lunch we really appreciate it thank you for all your support um thank you wolf yes more than more than my pleasure why did I pour so much they were they were giving Pepsi L away at Long Beach ComiCon and uh they were like would you like a whole bottle and I said yes and then quickly realized that I did not really want to be carrying around a bottle of warm uh wine Pepsi with no place to dump it out I bet it's good with alcohol well we've got where's the giant bottle of old Granddad old Grand I don't know what B is

325. 04:44:54

     called find something that Mi it with okay all right uh wol thanks for thanks for taking the time to talk to us and thank you especially for uh uh the pizza and the uh Pepsi and the crush and the uh Mountain Dew we fat Gamers we need uh both pizza and Mountain Dew to sustain ourselves so yeah I will not thank you for the Lyman that one's on you that one's on me you know what you did oh it's worse coming back up all right thanks a lot wolf we're gonna we're gonna draw our raffle here in a minute hold on sounds good thanks thanks wol yep have a good one it's us again hello I guess we didn't go

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     anywhere if our hair wasn't blue before the linen it would have been afterwards all right we're closing the raffle guys closing the raffle the raffle is closed well who won that raffle disc gando who won the raffle for the Hornet tracker is that what we're doing uh go wasn't a ghost no 44 won the tracker Hornet ghost Hornet oh it's still worse coming back up is [Laughter] I swear to God we have a bot we have a bot who does this at random the winner of The Hornet ghost origin Museum oh okay congratulations origin museum at this point there's only got to be like

327. 04:46:30

     three people watching right yes origin museum is the winner out of how many of of the Hornet ghost out of three okay we just kidding no so uh origin Museum please uh private message the the cig Community twitch chat with the email account uh for your Star Citizen account and we will add a hornet ghost to your account uh because obviously our we have no Integrity cu the bot's just choosing all of our friends it just F Well we also have a lot of friends but I think we know most of the people who would attend this live stream so is is that is that Joe yeah that's Joe Jo or some sort of Obsessed Joe gity fanatic who wishes to win his wear his skin yes if you're Joe gity

328. 04:47:18

     congratulations you want to ship if you're a obsessed Joe gity fan message me and I'll give you his address let's kill some cats let's kill some cats all right let's go back to the game play H there's our game play there's our blue hair you hear what they're saying in Blue Devil Squadron where it is one of their boys ran into daath on patrol yesterday you know daath right you're at the ace that flies a dry he's got 78 confirmed kills counting fighters in capital ships they say his name means Deathstroke in krai cuz that's how he gets his jollies he likes to shoot pilots who rejected as they wait for a

329. 04:48:07

     pickup by the way I don't think the Deathstroke is a word you trans one word into it's not a word is it it's a compound yeah it's a compound word all right all right Ice Man Ice Man lot of talk going around about this drath guy there's no R well don't sweat that fuz ball too much long it's the easiest Le easiest to read text Casey ran into daath a couple years ago near plank star I'm pretty sure the LM is in my eyes now daath got his rep by shooting helpless men but he's not so tough if you're still still in your ship watch him when you're on his tail he likes to burn out with his afterburners what else would you do with your afterburners or I'll try to get

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     behind you with a kick stop and again Iceman is literally reading the origins ultimate strategy guy two win command one and two right there so Bandit now you FL a rap be you like it you nod as you sip your drink I read we're getting the first Reaper squatter on active duty Colonel's already named the Squadron black lion I wonder who will be assigned to it seem to just go Southern with all of them all your voices eventually turn to Southern wow this is a uh this is a full uh we filled up the barracks and you can see all the pilots in the barracks my camera back I guess yeah camera's right

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     there oh yeah yeah you can see all the uh whatever um you could see all the pilot they they're the actual pilots from the game you know there's Paladin and the last one I say was Spirit um detail Mission briefing 6:00 in the morning all right boys and girls we got several groups of bogeys on the Move either the Kathy are pulling out a gimy or they're gearing up to push us out either way we've got to find out what they're up to First up on the Hit Parade is what it looks what looks like a squadron of

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     Fighters Bandit and Angel will fly Towing to check it out computer display tow nav one indicates their last confirmed position we believe the Bogies are draw them and we estimate their present location here if you think you can take them go ahead and engage but break off if the Squadron turns out to be too big to handle remember Bandit I need information worse than I need Heroes any questions then tell wing of course not oh there is I've heard the Kier stath is in this sector we believe he may be so be

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     careful Jack cath is very dangerous we need to know if he's here yes sir I wasn't going to mention it right then let's get going this is our uh marana's turkey shoot Mission all right then Squadron dismissed okay we're going to go fight a whole bunch of Dy at once including unsurprisingly dag AKA Deathstroke by the way there was also a daath in wi Commander 3 that is daath narxi he is not related to the initial daath except as I established a wi Commander L when I got to write it briefly he was inspired by him but they are different K also he does not actually appear in wi Commander 3 he was cut from the game and only appears in manual fact

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     nerds all right enemy sighted mon capan lots and lots of Dy are coming we're back in the the uh the Raptor yeah we were just testifying Raper in that last one um if we missed a little bit of story over all the uh Chris Robert's excitement we uh the Tigers Club was testing the first two uh YF uh 44 Rapier prototypes and uh now we're back in the

335. 04:53:04

     Raptor until we get some production botel Rapier A's you take the L no I take the regular Pepsi watch it enemy now second wave you shall both breathe vacuum that's I have to work on my Kathy we had no intention to do voice acting here today this is all very spur the moment I otherwise I would have prepared a gy voice it's hard to do

336. 04:53:55

     that K always had that real guttural thing ah you are the L mate you are the L mate you are the mate L mate of the tiger something I can't okay arise grandson yes my I could do it with some practice tell me how goes the war against the humans there I just flew up that gu good job then the Teran car Teran car there is absolutely nothing this Jack can do that would make me drink more Pepsi lemon car your Tiger's CL tried to attack a serm but my stealth Fighters

337. 04:54:43

     destroyed them soon we shall demolish the rest of their Fleet speak of your yes good job then okay I should stop I should stop doing the Commander 2 intro while I fly important thing is I can oh look look at all the damage I took cuz I wanged into the carrier at the end looks like it got a little hot out there sir I got one different line now don't take it away from me you wanged into a carrier how'd it go out there

338. 04:55:33

     Bandit well enough sir they were dry two Wings Nine and all that g is leading the second Wing how would you know that by the way did you take him out I believe so sir his ship blew up at least excellent good work Captain I've got your numbers from the mission report four four is your you Gill nine Gil Ry Bandit nine ah ah ah and none for Angel I mean honestly angel you done anything since joining up with I want to see you in my office later Bandit yes sir catch you with your kilt down all right then dismissed by the way in the uh Lesnik

339. 04:56:24

     come in I need to speak with you you got to do sorry we know what this is go in in super wi Commander when they do the voiceovers they still have the numbers so like you killed seven enemy Fighters and Angel killed four they just recorded the number once and it it never sounds good oh No Just hovering okay congratulations major Lesnik I'm a major Lesnik you took my I was going to that J thank you sir I'll do my best good I'm glad to hear it see if I knew I was playing Housey the could get away with a blue hat

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     instead of blue hair that would have been better that's all then major dismiss a metal I want a medal for killing nine people they're not people they're cats well sounds like you're a space for meritorious conduct in confronting the kill the enemy I'm going to stand here for a while and abject silence until I speak again make this awkward for everyone involved the tan Confederation is proud to present the Bronze Star to Major Lesnik also nobody told me we were

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     wearing red today this was the day we all wore red your courage is exemplary of the confederation's finest Defenders also this medal is longer than the last one good job Bandit congratulations thank you sir and one thing you may not have followed because it's it's actually kind of subtle in this game is that there is a bigger story of the war going going we've uh you know we we defended human colonies and now we're pushing the karate out of their bases a second cut scene I hope they manag to blow up that

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     big dome as Teran star fighter has gain control in space of Brimstone Jedi Master luminar a daring band of human sabors strikes a major kathi base with the destruction of this instulation more words will the kiloi hold on to the Strategic Brimstone system is broken I messed that up sorry it's not an easy font to read hey Bandit glad to see you again we just jumped in the Dakota system you know it's basically an agro Colony but they've had an outbreak of Watson's disease colonists here are a proud bunch and they're waited to call for

343. 04:59:37

     help that's bad news Watson's can wipe out a whole city in just a few weeks there's no cure yet but the Confederation supporting in a vaccine by named after John Watson uh worked on this game unfortunately passed away recently um and uh hey who is this a oh hey Bennett I feel like rapping about wingman care to join in Butthead take Knight for example he flies like an old lady no vision what a butthead and he couldn't find a Target in if his wingman's life depended on it that Butthead he's not wrong uh which it usually does yeah an angel always studying planning just fly I

344. 05:00:27

     say maybe on the CL you don't mind flying with squirt first off let's watch the squirt cracks and second Butthead of course there's a couple of Pilots I don't mind flying with you're not too bad Hunter almost as good as me and there's Iceman he's so dreamy ice is scary man I mean I'm in this for the flying he's in it for the killing I think killing buttheads come here mate maniac's teaching me out of fly can you believe it never let Sandy see this I just realized you said squirt

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     cracks I'm dangerous I'm dangerous this from the guy goes to after burners is sick and he smells a Target well at least I go after him some of you old guys don't always do that oh I ain't me mate but you're about some of the old guys night paladins some others they must be cat lovers or pacifists cuz those are the two choices but don't love me with that Lot B more kill blood I smell and nter I get

346. 05:02:07

     see I'm still Ling you said there was nothing you could do to make you drink more and then you drank more there's like there's still a little lman left I didn't finish it just poured into this old can here think I going to head out all right have fun thank you Conquering the universe where what halfway there yeah actually ex exactly halfway for bye wi command fans hi sylus director of bad meat hey take the linman with you it's okay just don't just put it in the dumpster on your way

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     out you proceed first and have one escorting an outbound hospital ship why star say it doesn't have a hospital ship does it maybe your objective is to protect her from the kill rathy until she makes her jump out I actually spilled some that time once she's gone go to canv 2 with Rond Vu with another sport I think it's eating through the shirt bring this Draymond back to the Tiger's claw in one piece she's the one carrying the vaccine for Fargo any questions of course not no sir on here carel all right why are they suddenly doing this now very good that's all gentlemen dismissed as soon as I start making jokes about he never how he never waits to see if people have

348. 05:03:42

     questions he starts waiting to see if people have questions this game is trolling me 25 years later that's Chris was here he could that was a toast burn toast burn I got toasted nice and toasted there's the Draymond hospital ship I hope start seon has a hospital ship soon oh by the way I keep meaning to point this out um we're very clearly flying the Gunstar from uh yes absolutely from uh last star fighter last star fighter we should talk more about that hospital ship on Tuesday we should I think we should talk about the hospital ship on Tuesday by the way to draw Kath Fighters

349. 05:04:34

     off of your uh the ship you're escorting taunt number three is the way to go what's taunt number three Ben uh it doesn't matter no uh whatever taunt is option number three is the one that is most likely to get them to Target you come on I know that years ago may they all crap please assist oh no I lost the

350. 05:05:27

     sport yeah what is it with this universe that don't say the word transport the trayman got blown up this is terrible when did transport become such a long word that everybody in the wi Commander universe decided to abbreviate it K house yell at me by the way Al 16 people died does not bode well for the uh Rari by the way I can't save the uh Draymond hospital ship by the why don't you put it to a vote on

351. 05:06:17

     chat I decide whether or not I should try that again sure they said no you think yeah I'm looking at it now they said we're like 5 hours into this we should just keep going what they said all right but you know not retrying it's going to make it longer go to a losing series and have to fly oh oh if it's going to be longer then you should redo it now it's like a threat also I don't know how to do the you know what are people saying okay they're saying redo all right eject I'm try that again now they're saying try the Lyman again yeah every time I lose I have to sip the linen I will not accept that I think the correct pronunciation is

352. 05:07:07

     lon I don't think he correct about it Alex say like someing Leon and poopa drink weapon no okay the linon did not eat through my shirt a Clipper is sending you love you

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     guys no her no it was me hello the Draymond killed one of them realize thank you hey guys remember this is this is a wing Commander stream it's not a Star Citizen stream we're giving away star citizens ships because that's what we have to give away but we're to celebrate Commander that's right

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     you can do it yes for those of you just joining us uh this is the wing Commander 25th anniversary live stream uh with uh Ben Lesnik and uh me we're celebrating the 20th anniversary of wing which was released today 25 years ago exactly 25 years ago today exactly 25 years ago today in fact at a party 25 years ago today

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     Chris was officially hired by origin after the release of winand yep and keep watching there will be uh additional ship giveaways uh throughout the stream we're not telling you when they're coming so you just have to pay attention sorry ah the Draymond jumped out I save the other one still difficult but getting there yes I did get my Soros I went through the whole office yesterday delivering them like like Santa Oreo they were delicious Darion came back for like two more I kept making him

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     wait Hennessy who doesn't like anything took a second one and they don't make them anymore they're like limited edition thing I found them off of a uh an Amazon reseller or a reseller on Amazon however that works paid 14 bucks for him we won't for get too mad at NIS if decided CU I got to go back on my diet nisco so you need to wait you wait like 6 months before you bring him back out I did I miss the

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     joke yeah what was the joke it's limited not necessarily forever I'm still missing okay it was about LTI ah see I'm a win Comm mode be cocky about I believe I have saved both transports now no leemon for me this time yes it's the gun star yeah absolutely uh looks like it got a little hot out there

358. 05:12:39

     sir are you hitting on me that be it looks like it's getting a little hot in here sir actually one of the most effective ways to take out enemy ships quickly is to Ram them you can Ram one or two enemy ships during thisare mission uh too if lucky yes sir we ran into bobies and have one but we took care of them damond's on her way to her destination I see Bandit what about the inbound Draymond she should be in formation now sir that's true and that vaccine will save thousands down on Fargo yay move the mouse so it's not on his

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     nose you are really temp voice I reviewed your flight Recorder's report of your mission Bandit he shot down eight and night ripped one ripped ripped one night ripped one that's for that squirts crack you know the times are changing it's just for whatever reason every Mission briefing is at 6:00 in the morning Bandit you're big news lately heard you had to take out some CRS last time out glad to see you made it back in one piece those babies can be tough but I hear the J is even tougher one of those six shooters in

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     your tail you can kiss and goodby but I'll bet if you get low and behind a JY you toast it she's got no rear visibility big old Bullseye exhausts bad design no matter how many guns she's got up front she missile up those rear pipes and boom no more po Kitty that's good advice in real life too join me Bandit Knight is po company and I feel the need to talk okay by the way he's sitting right there know I've been studying the history of the war and the progress the history and progress of the war and I see that things are going fairly well us to maintain our position we must be ever diligent ever alert

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     we must fight as if there were no tomorrow for in truth that is the case every day the kathi bring up more troops she's kind of a bummer they challenge us harder each time we fly the very future of humanity rests with us a heavy bird this chick's intense but one we must bear for if we don't who will yeah remember me to tell you what happens during Wick matter 2 what was Knight's voice hey hey B have a seat it was me okay isn't all Ben I've heard some talk lately that burns me up someone's saying I'm unsafe to fly with and then I'm a cat

362. 05:16:00

     lover wow well I won't stand for that kind of slander it's not true I mean I love cats but not cats I may not be as high flying as Hunter but I get the job done in one piece but hey you're not the guy to complain to after all we've flown together now you know you can count on me it's just a matter of trust yeah yeah thanks for the shoulder Bandit also I ripped one Captain said so d 2 we're just flying through these

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     now why are these always at 6 o' in the morning it's cuz it's looking for the uh some thing in DOS which brings us to our Patrol Wings Lambda Wing will fly in a three-point Patrol things have been quiet lately too quiet the kathi are definitely out there problem is we don't know where your job will be to locate the enemy and report back to the claw Bandit you and Knight will investigate I the rest went too quickly understood Colonel your Patrol will be as follows computer display Lambda as you can see there's not much to go on there's some debris in your nav one could be rocks could be mines the jump point at nav 2 seems to be clear at as does nav 3 make the rounds and return

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     with your report unless you have any questions that's all are we clear to engage any Targets we site Colonel definitely use your judgment though I don't want to lose any more pilots Squadron dismissed it's the only time I'll do that I don't support that all right is this really Fargo in

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     the Dakota system yeah the planet in the Dakota system it's capital thought that was an accident I never knew I I only played the first M matter once here is a new experience not only is it rocks but it is cats on the Rocks I really thought you were going to say rolls yeah there's some rolls too like I got to take my finger off off the after bur is just cuz you see what Knight just did no same

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     thing as Chris Roberts he went in trade on the uh St in the front of a graa bunch of hits you fight like a stillborn kitten Jesus doesn't survive translation apparently the Kathy are getting harsh one Taun that they use is get refer they think he's some kind of De yeah what was that from funny thing from the novels uh it's Freedom flight yeah Freedom flight oh you know

367. 05:20:11

     Elon hbert also used that in the mission Earth series they thought bug's bunny was like the height of all comedy on Earth from watching our broadcast bug is the height of all com Earth just a surprise Ro look at my cockpit take damage my favorite it doesn't work like no it doesn't so I hit a rock I took uh heavy damage to my uh for armor my tape light no longer works thank you Corner hon for putting

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     nap Point again in the middle of an asteroid field yes right right we've reached the singularity we not have fail videos instantaneously

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     oh hit a cramp hit a cramp if this was the SNS version he would be dead now what's the water water drip there's a bucket with water dripping immersion it's Robert's man that's a spaceship you don't want leaks SPAC no no Lyman no Li right Lon yeah I didn't agree to that not

370. 05:22:47

     lmon Pepsi Lin it tastes kind of like when you leave tea to sit like you wake up the next morning and accidentally drink your uh your tea and then you take a a stick of deodorant and you wheel it till the whole thing is out and you drop it inside guess what I'm freaking right now see lemon tee with lemon there achievement unlocked L now I want to add Pepsi with lime into the to the bar in the hanger with a dessert o

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     so quiet because he's focusing good shot no it's not that we couldn't get the uh

372. 05:25:17

     black mama to work with dosbox it was that it was way too precise we we we slowed it down like to the Max and it was still just flying all over the place it just wasn't what Ben was used to you know you get used to playing this with '90s you know technology so it just it just feels more comfortable using the far less precise joystick from our friends at Logitech from our friends at Logitech who are no longer sponsors of Star Citizen no but it's a testament to the black mama it it it it was very very smooth too smooth what joystick are we using right

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     now right now we're using one of those log F stick whatever it is I don't remember what they're called This is actually it actually is a fine beginner's uh stick oh yeah uh we've been given a away to folks to visit the office cuz is kind of enough to send us about a million of them I Che 3D Pro that's what it was hello handsome devil if you were thinking man it's been

374. 05:26:58

     a while since you've seen a Kathy capital ship you're not wrong and suddenly we have a destroyer my Offspring shall avenge me Ben is pretty damn good at this game it's cool to watch thank you said no one oh no said Nas thank

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     you okay yes the simar's best offensive weapon was the ram yes the burn finally made it to to the stream there's about a 30 second delay in the Stream So no more Kitty there's next cards oh I got my journey to force awakens

376. 05:28:40

     cards oh nice they're they're uh super vintage they're on the old original card stock faded everything they are really cool you were on the fence get off the fence they're really cool they fit right next to the original Star Wars series and of course there's more asteroids yeah cuz I was noticing the promo cards the uh stock is really from me yeah nice it's one of the only times like wow this card stock is crap no no I mean it was it's too nice on the promo card oh actually yeah I didn't notice it on the promo card it's like glossy right I think we have finally

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     done this one is there a dead zone issue on the on the Dos box I don't think so I yeah there's all kinds of stream options just it's what we're doing we're not streaming Professionals in fact I have never streamed a game before do Vine looks like it got a little hot out sir and I'm getting a little hot in here it's getting hot in here no nope yes when it looks like Ben's

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     falling asleep on the camera he's checking his email yeah sorry cuz I still have work to do welcome back gentlemen what's what is the situation that would have been a good place for contraction there was a welcome committee among the rocks and have one but they aren't going home we spotted a Rari class destroyer at nav 2 she and air scorts gave us some trouble we took her out in the end excellent major that's the kind of report I like to hear let's go over your flight recorder data you got nine Bandit

379. 05:31:09

     a knight struck out you're useless Knight again good job on destroying that Rari I didn't get any because Bandit would release me off his wing dismissed I kept asking him if I could go fight some of these guys and he kept we just wouldn't answer me kept ignoring me R it's his fault I rip for meritorious conduct in confronting the kill WTH the enemy crap everyone's still wearing red I think it's the lighting lighting tur blw to Red in the Dakota system on or about 26 54.1 I really like that with a date system 26541 31 on or about is still a phrase they use the tan Confederation is proud

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     to present the Silver Star to this major Lesnik see if this one's longer or shorter than the last one longer or shorter I don't know go to the next screen even longer and the middle one got no the Silver Star is the sil star is the new one ah so it's in between slightly longer than the first less Long than the last good job Bandit congratulations thank you sir filled with pride you meet the Applause of your

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     fellows hey Bandit how about a cool drink and a tall tail where it is we're pulling out soon hopefully it's for the kurasawa system Cawa there's some karate colonies to beat up on when we get there also I heard that one of these karath AC is flying around these parts goest Paladin I think he's Tangled with him before hey carry yourself Bandit that Paladin retired not yet secret missions too oh wello L it's good to see you again have a seat in tilter glass additional additional generic Scottish thing a he old shockless R run about one of the kerath aces last ER ladyy is the only around these parts was back TOS Red

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     Claw oh well it was back a few years when I had a tussles with him he's one of their nobles so it said almost care they look at humans as animals he thinks we're not even that iron Mighty anyhow lad I was serving on a cruiser when he led a JY attack on our he's easily the deadliest aim the killer got to offer took out for Emy mates when we knew what hit us before we knew what H us keep an eye out for him lad he's a tough Warrior it's not the easiest word read B boss man ah Bandit join the party

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     I'm the boss man we have done well to this point I believe you have played a major I'm the boss man however we should we falter now I fear that we will be pushed back to our colonies I'm the boss man but that is not likely you myself and all of us can affect that outcome it's mostly just me think about that when next you fly it will guide your actions I'm the Bossman by the way so um Paladin you uh who would you cast to play well without the benefit of knowing what happens it's hard

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     yeah the question is would it be checky Cario I really looks like X-Wing we can't pass up on a Target like this so Epsilon Wing is going to take her out Bandit you will lead night on this one you boys think you can pull it off no problem sir just you two pulling it off there is something you don't know yet Bandit our spiders have placed a Kathy Ace backto bread claw with the Convoy I can't say that word he's a kraay nobleman and the deadliest shot in the entire killay BOS redclaw here's the scenario for this one he'll first intercept a door gear class stiner at the jump point near nav one backos red Claus dor here blow her to bits and

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     proceed to nav two at that point you should site at least one kill wrathy troop transport those transports are your transports are your main object now we're saying transport and probably the best defended every time I complain about this game it changes you are to engage and Destroy Al kathi you watch yourself with red claw back Tosh Red Claw but concentrate your fire on the sports dismissed Dear Chris Roberts you're abbreviation of the word transport in this game is wildly inconsistent look it's the Galaxy

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     what oh Galaxy the uh items in the background such as the Galaxy are one of the things that do not appear if you don't have expanded memory tell me Bandit You Like Gladiator movies ah so the monkey boy can fight actually I keep wanting to read them like Lord John waren from bucku Bonsai because of the monkey boy D it get down is what you are in the dark oh your wiring came down yeah I

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     think I hit the transport oh yeah there's no there's no raffle going on right now I just want to tell you both good luck rock down actually it's funny I go upstairs and randomly tell two developers that it's always fun to see which ones know what I'm talking about which ones don't yeah you should have done death Blossom did didn't work out for right so the reason I was trying to

388. 05:38:53

     skip the escort screen which they warned me not to do earlier was because I believe this transport jumps out if you don't hit it quick but maybe I take got a couple of those points first this time I should practice my Lord joh War said nobody ever no counter measures in this yeah they're riding you hogging all the

389. 05:39:46

     fight not letting your wing in oh I just forget it's know ah so the monkey boy can fight that's how that imine D here sounds you think the D here sounds threatening he that's put fck he night should got wolf Knight too of course problem is he be be 30 seconds what ship is that dork

390. 05:40:50

     here can you tell about how dorky it was I was actually thinking I kind of liked it I like yeah I like the early Kath designs where it had all the rounded stuff M they lose a lot of that when they go to 3D models but also I've heard Chris say he does not like the uh you know the anime style so warin is very do here dork here that was a catnip beard truck beard truck PL yes there will be more

391. 05:41:42

     Raffles not we are not above buying your views actually as I'm thinking about it I

392. 05:42:35

     don't know that I ever finished the we more like backos dead claw guys no if we all pretend we didn't hear it maybe he won't do it again everybody just pretend we didn't hear it we are not above buying your views name of disco Lando sex tape

393. 05:43:34

     hey yeah as we're playing through this I'm beginning to realize I don't think I ever finished Wing Commander cuz it's it hasn't been familiar for the last mission I think we got we were halfway through about an hour ago right yeah yeah so I don't think I ever finished the first Wing Commander I play Win Win Commander 3 was where I came in on the franchise I owned Wing Commander actually my my friend who had a computer I didn't even have a computer he owned win Commander 3 and I bought Wing Commander 4 before I owned a computer that would play it and then got a computer that would play wink Man 4 then I went back and played wink matter 1 and two but it looks I'm beginning to think I never finished the first wink medic cuz I'm out of familiarity

394. 05:44:24

     now three door here did you did is he is that what is that what he's going to tell us I think so this this the best your ships look coming back you got Got Away pretty clean sir oh yeah looks like a different time am I putting on weight good Landing Bandit how did things go out there how be a good place for anor's been nailed sir she went up in a Flash good job how did you Faire against the

395. 05:45:12

     troop carriers what are you looking at dude we took out the first transport without too much problems and look at him he's not looking at the at you he's looking up the second one was tougher we got her too I knew that you boys could do it that's damn good work see now I'm looking at you but but what am I looking at no cuz I'm over no this is correct I'm there's two people you shoot down but he looks straight forward the whole time he's looking at his cards he's reading off cards according to your flight controller you wasted 11 of the fuzz balls Bandit and Knight took down one thanks for the help Knight major stop by my office after your shift look he's

396. 05:46:00

     reading off cards dismissed every time he's about to start a new line he looks off to the screen he's reading off cards Bennett come in I need to speak with you yes sir we'll be leaving Dakota soon and I need to make some Personnel changes effective immediately following the jump you'll be reassigned if it's simitar were in trouble I want I want you in one of the new Rapier class mediums the black lion Squadron y if we're in a yes sir you won't be sorry we're in a war with cat people why are we naming our squadrons after cats shut up that's why good I'm glad to hear

397. 05:46:53

     it see see he's being genuine here he's not looking off at the Q card that's all then major dismissed see he doesn't always look off camera but now last say he was totally reading off cards meritorious contact confronting the kill wath the enemy wait for it wait for it wait for it in the Dakota system honor about 31 wait for it the Jan Confederation is proud to present the gold star to Major Lesnik like how that's always in capitals what's this one what did he add

398. 05:47:49

     he add a little bar cuz I have two of them now don't look off screenz you're not going to say anything more no there was intentional cuz the pilots were sitting two in front of him so he was the one on the side always at the end right before he had to start a new line I just say that is one of those Chris robertsan details fill with pride you you meet the Applause of your fellow this is exactly what it sounds like in super Wing CLE cut scene human Colony on the water Planet hurricane Port Headland something I missed it after the Teran Fleet is defeated the kathi at Port Headland Hurricane's planetary defenses head off in a last Stitch kathi assault so the the great Victory there is that

399. 05:48:40

     they blew up two dwy we uh save this game we are now in the kurawa system um if uh basically we're one Mission away from the Rari Mission all you wink man veterans are going through PTSD just about now it's saying your last name should have been disappointment um or in real life no not in the game same um let's let's play this Mission then we'll take a little break we'll talk about ports and then we will take the Cella 2 Challenge and we can we can give away some stuff while we're talking about ports I believe so B how's it going so we'll do a give away after this Mission guys so here we are in Cawa War say Emperor is supposed to have several

400. 05:49:30

     bases on around the fourth planet did shotgun just have ch GL just have a stroke so I guess you boys will be seeing some serious action soon what still we're not the first Teran ship here I heard the Kathy and the system are already half beat Bandit am I glad to see you butthead I'm going insane listening to Angel talk about fuel to acceleration ratios again she's right there what a nerd heard that we're about to raid some fuzzball bases that'd be great I haven't shot at anything in a week I'm such a butthead hello bik you have a moment no

401. 05:50:24

     every time no it's coming doesn't matter new colel has directed our cre Chiefs to prepare our rapers for battle I had hoped we we would have flown the more before now sayi should you get the chance let me know how they fly it is TR important our band kirawa system all right boys and girls let's

402. 05:51:12

     get to work first I want to congratulate all you for your efforts in Dakota our successes there were crucial to the recent developments in the war effort the Kathy Advance has been halted and now the Confederation is on the defensive offensive offensive now we're moving to the kath basis in the K system these bases are vital to Kath the command and communic ation in this sector the Empire is currently trying to fer troops and supplies to these bases in a frantic attempt to defend them I'm sending my best pilots and you and my best fighters to head off the I missed the word I missed the words Theta is especially vital so I'm sending you Bandit with Bossman is your

403. 05:52:01

     wing computer display Theta Wing we've detected several Kathy Fighters circling near two nearly jump nearby jump points I'm getting tired One D class transport has already jumped in here at nav 1A you'll intercept and destroy it then move on to nav 2 where another Squadron of kill rathy Fighters awaits an incoming sport when you taking care of any sports that appear at nav 2 return to the Tiger's Claw at nav one in case there are any late arrivals or questions yes Colonel do we have the intelligent regarding the contents of the sports they're called transports only I can nothing definitive major but that first or here is

404. 05:52:49

     especially well guarded it must be something or someone ah it turned away and I missed the words sorry guys Squadron dismissed it's so inconsistent sometimes it's like sometimes it's like wait for it who knew that inside Ben Lesnik is a small Belgian woman he thought we wouldn't like the sort of thing I'd eat I'm I'm not I'm not touching it what happened on the wing command

405. 05:53:44

     stream been admitted to eating a small Belgium woman you know who does eat a small Belgian woman no I mean specifically that small Belgian woman is ultimately eaten by a giant based cat just I know spoil crud yeah the monkey boy can fight by the way that monkey boy can fight thing is when you get within 5,000 km with the capital ship I lost a laser cannon my laser cannons was blown off in that Collision yeah it's the reaper a little bit too

406. 05:54:43

     smooth my capacitor just seems really low so that's why I Pi it for our lovely layout also I like Ms I know that on paper neutrons are supposed to hit harder they never feel like it fire right also you do stupid stuff like after burn without realizing how fast you are and you ram right into ay buttt that was like

407. 05:55:49

     that Different Strokes for different folks Star Wars card Trader tells me the your white IM R2 D2 card has been okay all right what are we dealing with here can anybody identify those from a distance they look like boxes CR so you're close also note that my computer system is damaged I can't uh I can't have a lock what tells you that your computer system uh well I took a hit earlier uh I

408. 05:56:37

     can I can do a damage but oh there uh the fact that I can't lock on the enemy ships is telling me that o turned into a

409. 05:57:44

     Miss don't overthink it let the pilgrim flow there's one for the chalkboard I try to communicate and it's uh it's fuzzy sometimes it's uh computer's so heavily damaged my com is see my uh my target tracks blink off on the radar occasionally

410. 05:58:34

     okay well you you're it's a chance thing so if you just keep trying to communicate you'll eventually get it oh boss man you are being a dick I'm the boss man boss man and I got a little too all right if I survive this my Fighter's going to be all torn up when I land oh good job ah sorry guys

411. 05:59:36

     it's the speed I keep ramming the fs we're not getting paid for this it's true no we're we're salaried we don't get extra pay for anything oh yeah I did not invent a uh win Commander live stream and then pay myself for go do it on the weekend this is purely out of love for this is our off time looks like it got pretty hot out there hey stop telling me when to do the Raffles guys all it's going to make me do is not like you we do the rapples when it makes

412. 06:00:25

     sense in the Stream guys it's not about the rapples it's about Wing Commander I on your screen that was just like a really lame mow ghost I knew it when I started which is why I kept the volume down come on boss

413. 06:01:15

     man you're fine metton you get a little worked up sometimes but you're you don't seem like you're a bad guy yes judge toast is the law I am the law possible how do they take out my right

414. 06:02:33

     armor a weird one yeah we'll do the raffle after this guys as I said earlier they love Raffles will there be another anniversary stream for Wing Commander 2 next year heck yes I wouldn't rule out an anniversary St for the secret missions how did I hit him from reverse also how did I butt ram I'm always

415. 06:03:34

     mouthy don't need to drink you get mouthy I imagine we'll do one of these for all

416. 06:04:29

     the wing commanders we can do a secret missions and secret missions 2 later this year if you're Eno it and then you know store them up on a special playlist for imp perpetuity so anyone can you know so anyone can come at this years later and watch Chris Roberts play Wing Commander for the first time in 25 years well that would we maybe a show on ATV maybe we break that out and show it on ATV yay when don't waffles sound great if you want to take some I mean if

417. 06:05:18

     there's anybody who has questions about wi Commander it would be happy to answer them while I'm flying yeah just remember uh today's live stream is about the first Wing Commander I can answer questions about later wi commanders no just keep keep it one today so he's a talent yes Chris St by he was playing earlier just make sure to include Ben School of course no I think we'll edit it so Chris wins that

418. 06:06:07

     mission what' you like more Ben private tier one or private tier 2 oh that was a tough question um I think private one crumbs crumbs all right wait wait wait wait crumbs the band said crumbs grab the missiles up the tail pipe not your you want to do the raffle while I play this Mission just so no I I I think I I think the raffle should be dependent on you being this Mission there are no more Raffles unless

419. 06:06:56

     Ben completes this Mission so so cheer them on say your prayers send your crumbs crumbs and and be glad this isn't Cawa 2 that's just Cawa one yeah I know I said be glad it's not two but Cawa 2 is an inevitable followup they answer the question how many plaids plaid shirts does Ben own is also the answer to how many shirts does Ben own no that's true he also has a wi um back to the original question uh I think the original private tier probably

420. 06:07:45

     better just I it was great to explore you know the wing Commander Universe proper private tier 2 builds an amazing cool world that I would love to see more of but just the idea of stepping into the wi Commander Universe I knew is that was tops maybe I just should not after burn it's going to stop me from ramming stuff why did the Confederation switch from bangal class carriers to the Concordia class Ben um well first of all the Concord the there's the Concordia class is actually the super Cruiser scene in the movie the big heavy it looks like a like an Iowa

421. 06:08:34

     class battle ship but in space um the TCS Concordia from uh win matter 2 which is the third ship in the win Comm Universe 2 be named Concordia is actually a uh it's a it's a confederation class um it's I I don't think it's so much a matter of switching from one to the other it's just they started building the uh the Confederation class uh the Confederation class is built around the uh a huge gun the face Transit Cannon which uh you'll occasionally see it firing when commed to it plays no other role um which uh is developed from the sear weapon in that they destroy in secret missions one uh so that technology did not exist until the Confederation

422. 06:09:21

     captured it in 2655 uh and they Didi a new classic carrier around it um I'm sure that through the end of the war they probably built both ships uh just different shipyards although I believe the Confederation handbook says that they are getting ready to retire the Bengal design it's like in the early 60s so they may not have continued building Bengals through the end of the war uh but if you if you read some of the novels you see both ships uh there's a Bengal the TCS wolf hound that appears in and run in 67 um just cuz the Tiger's Claw is gone spoiler warning doesn't mean that uh

423. 06:10:12

     every ship of the class is gone stop asking him questions let him Focus I played freelancer I enjoyed it very much actually I mean I know all the you know I I know all the hubub about it and whatnot everything then it went down but at the time I wasn't aware of it I just played it as it was I enjoyed it for what it was and for a while there a couple buddies and I we had we all had our copies of of a freelancer and we ran our own little micro it it was it was it was a lot of fun no that was mine

424. 06:12:00

     where was this the last two times what's that where was this the last two times no there's still one more now point this is where I got stuck last time and the time before I keep ramming these Jolly I'm going to try to play without after burning this much faster than any

425. 06:14:12

     Shadow viiper you only get me with that once and at the end of a 24-hour live stream that was good what happened uh the 24-hour live stream for charity earlier this year by about hour 23 we was so just absolutely burned we're playing some Grand Theft a Auto and I was flying helicopter I think it was or plane something flying and you're just like tell us what to do tell us what you we were just doing the things that chat tells us what to do you got out and Shadow Viper goes hit hit you hit why hit why I just hit it and I bailed out of the plane just fell fell fell and then exploded in a bag of blood in front of the

426. 06:15:00

     Coliseum it was it was a pretty good troll it just Reed the stream for about 5 minutes so Shadow Viper in here right now going hit why hit why hit why I remember you you test me all right finally looks like it got a little hot out there sir it's actually my favorite voice today welcome back Major let's have your report and then I'm going to tell

427. 06:15:51

     you yes sir we nailed the DOR here at nav 1 a we got another sport at nav 2 we took out one more and Na One B on the way back in we've determined that the first or C was the Command Staff ship Bandit blasting that one should their chain of command good job by the way this this reference right here goes on to move to the win Commander movie where there's a comc con that's based on door here uh you took out 13 fuzz balls Bandit how'd you do boss man and boss man got one I'm the boss man

428. 06:16:40

     I'll go over your report in detail later really sick of you guys right now that's all dismiss okay save the game raffle um what are we raffling Ben let's raffle a Super Hornet oh you waited for it you separate through kirasa one three times it's time to enter a raffle for a Super Hornet I'm going to take a short break uh and then I will be back and we're going to talk about ports of the original Wing Commander cool so Raffles open guys whoa where's my button there we go

429. 06:17:46

     hello what's going on that's you how you doing CH what you doing toast H what you doing toast H right now yeah um waiting for the r result gotta uh how much time we going to give them uh wait until Ben comes back that'll be at the end of our stream not right now right now it's a Super Hornet but at the end of our stream for those of you who make it to the end signed pristine copy just open today Commander signed on camera so you know authentic well that's later right now

430. 06:18:35

     you're entering a raffle for the Super Hornet a Super Hornet more Super than a regular Hornet and guys you only need to enter once mbot only counts the the entry once so entering more than once just fills up chat my blue hair you have blue hair I have blue blue hair I have blue hair move it to this one that's the one we should move it to right there yes hi Alexis hello at your mountain of wing Commander swag back

431. 06:19:23

     there that's the ATV desk by the way where we film ATV rumor has it that we might be changing up the ATV set for the next episode what yeah all depends if I want to come in here tomorrow and do it or not but yeah uh if I decide to get up out of bed and come into work tomorrow chances are the next episode of ATV and all future episodes of ATV after that we'll have a uh a bunch different look we'll see how that works Lando looks like Shimp and Smurf Fett's

432. 06:20:11

     lovech child yeah I'll go with that my hair is at this terrible you know I'm I'm growing the hair out and it's at this terrible '90s boy band phase right now where it just like comes to here know I'm trying to grow it out so you know if I could pick any time to be on camera it would not have been with hair at this point that's why I normally I wear a hat because that's what you do when you're growing your hair out you wear hat during the stupid phase it's not even like the good boyand nope it's like the worst boyand it's garbage hair right now and I'd absolutely be wearing a hat right now except uh somebody dared me to dye my hair for the stream and I thought that was a good idea for like two seconds two seconds long enough to say it out loud on camera yeah and for people that are

433. 06:21:01

     saying you should have dyed your beards blue hair doesn't have a beard so it doesn't make sense to have a Blue Beard we're just like this part we're we're we're we're solidarity with blue hair so got the blue hair he's been talking about his all right let's talk about uh did you start the uh raffle yep it's still going people are saying raffle over and over people are saying raffel so um wik 1 was an incredibly popular game and it was ported to a whole variety of systems over the years I thought I'd uh run through them quickly Clos um so w Commander was announced it was also announced that it would uh it would uh where's my camera there right

434. 06:21:50

     here you tilt it up a little bit tilt it up up yeah there we go um so when they announced spr Commander they announced it would also be for the Amiga origin expected it would Port it the Amiga was you know the bigger audience in the in Europe um origin expected they would do the Amiga Port inhouse uh they ultimately decided it was not worth the effort and they licensed the uh the first licensing was to uh mindscape to put out uh mindscape assigned the job of foring the entire Wing Commander one to a far far less powerful computer the it had to run on the igga 500 which was Far Far Behind the 286 uh I'm sure some amga fans people will yell at me I have an Amiga at home I love it but objectively it's not as powerful as a

435. 06:22:38

     PC hey Forest hey how's it going here here's Ricky and Forest good to see you guys hey guys playing some old school yeah is that win one it's the original win you playing through the whole thing y yep yes indeed we're taking a break right now going over the ports we met some K we have y awesome we are taking a little break before Kurosawa 2 which is the hardest mission most people although arguably some of the losing path missions might be harder but most people don't play those there is one mission in losing path that just tortures you you can't win it they you have to rescue a transport full of Orphans and it just explodes even if you shoot down all the karate ships it's in Hell's Kitchen and you still got yelled out yeah are you playing with the joystick we are oh my goodness awesome stuff strategizing before you know you

436. 06:23:29

     kind of take so all right Ben how many times have you been this next mission before I I have been it maybe a dozen times but I probably played it a couple hundred times have you ever lost oh well this is it's a very hard Mission I can divide sometimes sometimes I'm all about the uh the colors right now in terms of the hair and stuff it's blue hair it's the star of the game is blue hair exactly that's it's just the way forward Stephen I mean why do you not join in 5 years give be 5 years we'll do it I'll do that on the 30 nice stuff so how do you how do you play the game on the on the PC is it a is it actually the like CD is it a a Gog yeah gg.com they've got U they they package

437. 06:24:18

     it with a Dos emulator so it just runs in a modern PC Oh okay that's cool what are you guys doing here working probably going back to the UK we're picking up I'm back today up stuff um so picking up my stuff but I did a bit of work here Spenders point that out well have so many things to catch up on so much stuff to do at the moment check emails real quick that's it it's always nice to check the emails on Sunday I always find that and that one kind of helps but today I'm going to have to check it cuz Saturday and like I don't have preparation to do tomorrow cuz I'll be getting back quite late to the UK so all you coming back or I mean maybe eventually but yeah but I mean you're going back forward yes yes yes there's a lot of kind of stuff what we need to work on in the UK it's pretty damn

438. 06:25:06

     exciting so I'm sure Chris is obviously going to be uh giving you guys some uh insights and stuff oh we had him play he played for the first time in 25 years oh nice did he uh match up to your expectations though no he died took on a heavy fighter straight on and didn't go well well some stuff well we probably got to start to get going y get my flight but good to see you guys and I think this and this Jared needs to stay need to keep that going and Steve 5 years no no no give it a month and then you can pitch these guys as well you to Alexis yeah well we might do this again for the secret take a piece of pizza want pizza I know didn't tell you I was tell he has

439. 06:25:56

     man he has manners I was telling him as bad as we just went out to brunch so yeah there you go um and I'll probably will take some pizza yeah yeah maybe we'll see all right take care guys see you good luck then thanks guys I know you'll get it so Oma 500 oh so um they had it had to Port so it would run on the Omega 5 you run in air quotes they hired uh the best conversion man in the business a guy named Nick peling in the UK um this guy was unquestionably the the greatest Amiga Porter there was uh he was going to Port it they were going to have It Out by early 91 and then he uh came down with viral en sephtis with like a very very very low chance of survival and

440. 06:26:46

     Nick said uh said to his bosses at mscape you know it's it's it's not fair for me to have this project give it to someone else and they said no we we're sticking with you if we have to delay the game they delayed the game about a year year and a half and uh he recovered uh he recovered he ported Wing Commander to the Amiga it's it's a technically amazing Port you it couldn't do 256 colors so it it he came up with his dithering system where it looks it looks so much cleaner than the like EGA version of wing Commander one um and it's a great solid port for the Amega there's the uh this is the hit squad which was the UK budget title budget version from a couple years later um of wink one he also ported it to the Amiga cd32

441. 06:27:34

     which was a uh the amga cd32 was a uh console from Amiga the very end of the amga LIF span um this was what was going to save Commodore uh and uh the you know it was your same generation as the uh the 3dio or the uh you know Nintendo 64 a CD based console it was semi-popular in Europe it was tested in a few areas in the US Wing Commander was actually a launch title with a game called mean streets in some regions um that was the only way to get it it didn't have a it didn't have its own uh commercial release um it's a great Port it's adapted for the uh controller so there's a couple minor differences there because of that and it has 256 colors um if you

442. 06:28:23

     have like an igga 4000 with a CD you can patch it to run on that if you want a better quality graphics and win Commander that was the first two ports mine landcape also picked up the rights to one we saw earlier which was look I've got a seal copy too Wing Commander for the Super Nintendo um this is one we talked about earlier that had crazy sensor cuts um it the Super Nintendo is if if it's hard to pour something to the igga it is much much much harder to Port it to the Super Nintendo you had to have the entire game in something you know a fraction of the size fraction of the horsepower um but they did it it was a team in the US a guy named Henrick

443. 06:29:12

     Mark maroven I'm sorry if I'm butchering that um was in charge of that Port it was a a full team of people who conducted it um a lot of people got their start in the super this sold very well uh if you look closely at the front of the box it's actually a different painting of the wing Commander art it's not the uh it's not the uh traditional it's this one Dennis Le did um actually my wife was kind enough to get me a copy of a print of that from the original artist the other day uh thank you wife you're welcome um so this it was heavily censored you know no way to save your game it had passwords um very blocky uh one of the bigger problems with it is they did not really change the balancing so it's not easier you still have to have as many hits to kill a ship you it

444. 06:30:00

     plays similar they try to make it play like the PC version um by the way here is a here's what a prototype the Super Nintendo wi looks like uh this one of mindscapes internal prototypes showed up on eBay and I ebayed it um here here is the Japanese release of that which has another one of I referenced this earlier it's another one of those cool bits of art based on the uh based on the line art and claw marks that apparently fascinated the Japanese artists who drew a graa and a frothy exploding and a droy um the cool cool thing about this is this version of claw marks tiny little booklet but it is in full

445. 06:30:50

     color and it has all sorts of art that's nowhere else it's got drawings of all guns um it's got a full color map in the back uh and here's a ridiculous one anime style portraits of all the characters in win Commander one you can download scans of all of those at WC news.com uh one thing I noticed when I was looking through this I do not read Japanese uh but I noticed there were more entries in the timeline than there were in the original uh original wi claw marks mhm I I I I paid someone to have them translated for me and it's all these other events in the like first 20 years of the war like Confederation tries to make peace with the karath and

446. 06:31:37

     it's very very Japanese stuff um after translating them a couple years ago I was invited to do the manual for a game called win command Arena which was a Xbox Live top down shooter uh so I I did the ultimate win Commander timeline with all the different sources and I included the Japanese only ones in there I don't know if anyone ever noticed that uh careful your your your hands are touching your hair your fing are turn blue that's okay but you'll get blue on the thing is what I'm saying I've got a bunch of these okay I will try to stop touching my hair though um oh there was one other other thing I wanted to show you about uh Hey the maniac's autobiographer I actually wrote a couple of chapters of that um one thing they did to save space

447. 06:32:28

     because again it was like what A fifth or a sixth the amount of space you had to have the same game in that instead of having the six shooter JY the ones that were just giving us so much trouble they simply recolored the salty so it's green so when you get to a mission with a JY in uh in win one Super Nintendo you you'll come across the it's just a pallet shifted uh JY which is fine uh you know they they have similar names I guess it makes sense you know it still had the six shooters all the same stats here's this one which was fine until it came time for the pops are to the secret missions they they did a standalone version of secret missions for uh Super Nintendo and they said oh draw draw a hornet you paint a hornet fighting a jolty to show how tough this version of

448. 06:33:16

     the game is and what the artist came back with was a hornet fighting a green salty with lots of guns in front of it um I remember in middle school I paid someone $5 for the free poster that came with this my parents did not let me have game consoles when I was a kid this cool um Wing Commander was also ported to the oft forgotten Sega CD this was a full speech Port um they call you hot shot in the dialogue um it's all the original miss the original 40 missions uh this is the Mega CD version that's the Japanese uh again has a nice full color manual this has a re-edit of claw marks that's kind

449. 06:34:03

     of a has a couple more things in it uh Chris Reed showed you the FM towns version earlier there's also a standalone secret missions for the FM towns um and if you know what an FM towns is and you have an FM towns Marty no the wi commander games do not work on it uh here is the wi Commander port for uh dos V which is the Japanese Japanese language version of Dos so this is the native Japanese Wing Commander now the strangest Wing Commander report of all which we mentioned earlier but I will talk about now is something called super Wing Commander um in 1993 trip Hawkins the man who founded

450. 06:34:51

     Electronic Arts said I'm going to make the game console of the future this is I'm going to make the thing that replaces the VCR he left Electronic Arts took his EA money and he proceeded to create the uh the 3DO the idea was that the 3DO it wasn't one game console it was a console technology anyone could license this and make their own 3DO set top box the same way you can have VCRs from different companies um and companies would make you know games for this and there' be interactive encyclopedia you know all all this multimedia stuff you'd bu vcds I mean it was very preent but it was too early uh that was one of the problems with it the other problem was it was too EXP expensive the initial the initial consoles they were they were from three or two or three three different companies uh and they they were $ 7800

451. 06:35:42

     each at launch which no one was going to pay for what they saw as a game machine you know they they trip trip and 3dio saw it as this is the future of entertainment the public saw it as this is the same as a Nintendo but owing to his connection to uh Electronic Arts he was able to secure the promise from the F CDA that they would do a whole swath of uh launch t and um ongoing support for it in fact if you look at the 3D catalog it's EA games through its whole life life cycle even though that shouldn't be a thing um so uh origin origin for their part was assigned something called super Wing Commander which was going to be a graphically updated version of wing Commander uh for the 3dio um the graphics are crazy they they

452. 06:36:30

     redesigned every ship um the dra which you see in the box looks similar nothing else does they took 3D models from other Wing commander games ones used for Wing 2 for Armada for and so on repurpose them Kit bash them um I talked to one artist who said he was the guy worked on the crant he specifically said we were told not to look at the original model I don't know why but uh uh and you know you saw Paladin with his eye patch and angel with her shaved head and all these crazy things um it has full speech a separate speech recording session from from uh from the Sega CD version and uh it it's very stilted the dialogue is not read well um there's pauses after every line yeah it's about as good as us um because and got paid to do that because

453. 06:37:20

     you develop for a 3dio on a power Mac it was very easy to port to a power Mac so here's 3DO for the Mac super win for the Macintosh the thing I was most jealous of as a teenager was my friend with a Mac here's the Japanese version um friend with a Mac who could play Super Wing Comm Commander I remember begging him to let me borrow the manual for an hour for like between periods at school and I would write out all the changes and notes from it because I was a dork oh Ben whiskey Omega was riskey Omega just wrote in to say he's been playing that version of it today um as as Chris re mentioned earlier there's a separate expansion it has secret missions one and then what

454. 06:38:07

     the win Commander Community calls secret missions 1.5 by the way this is what 3D boxes look like um if you have a 3dio the best way to play this is with the uh there is a u Logitech Logitech is it Logitech no CH products uh flight stick for the 3dio makes it a much more pleasant experience uh much more like the PC uh and if you have a 3dio you know obviously play this see how weird it is play the extra mission see the cool cut scenes but uh wi Commander 3 for the 3dio done inh house at origin in 1994 95 it is the in my to my mind the single greatest uh console Port of any game ever you know uh every other game every other Port of wing Commander they try to make it like the PC version uh as close as possible for that one they went the

455. 06:38:56

     other way they made it an action experience and uh you know they red all the missions in Wing 3 and it it turned out great it plays smoothly it's perfect for the console um if you ever get a chance win commanda 3 for the uh 3dio is a really good experience uh and the very last or most recent Port of wi Commander one it could still be more was in fact for the PlayStation Portable uh back in 200 something or other de or so EA put out a collection called EA replay if you have a GameStop that still has PSP games umds and such it uh it has Wing commander and secret missions uh Port ported from the uh Super Nintendo versions essentially emulated there

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     though they they forced a couple changes in there to like the copyright section removed all mention Nintendo um that was uh the most recent Port of the original Wing commander and hopefully there will be more one I missed in there uh win command for Windows 95 as part of the kassi Saga package we also mentioned that earlier yeah so uh those are all of our ports and now you've seen them and uh I've talked about them a lot yeah there's a lot of stuff over there the blue on uh blue D is a problem oh all right guys we're closing the raffle closing the raffle that's not the raffle that's a pole closing the raffle all right uh drawing a winner for

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     the Super Hornet the Super Hornet winner is viaro Vio congratulations you are the winner of the Super Hornet join twitch 2038 days ago W he's a longtime twitch user so congratulations vro you're the winner of the Super Hornet uh please send a private message to the cig Community Twitch account with the email address of your star czen account if you don't have a Star Citizen account for whatever reason you can go to robertsspaceindustries.com and register one and then PM us and let us know what email account you used uh for your registration so thanks for watching you're the winner of a Super Hornet one other uh Wing Commander

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     experience I will note uh which I did not bring in but if you love The the aesthetic the look of the ships in the original wi Commander check out Wing Commander Academy the 1996 uh Universal TV show uh Cartoon by the folks who did EXO Squad it's almost a third season of EXO Squad if you love EXO Squad um it's set on the Tigers CLA it's actually said the first episode is before Wing Commander one the other episodes are various points in the timeline right around Wing Commander one set in the tiger CL 2654 there's some really good episodes um it is worth your time I would love to do like a long commentary at some point uh if we can work that out um great great show let's uh it's going to forced me to watch it no it's a good one I know I can't do the stream without you I need you here you'll have to watch the entire Series 13

459. 06:42:13

     episodes nine of them amazing all right so let's go back to game all right we just completed curasawa one so Ben how many times are we going to play kirawa 2 well here's the thing um Lots probably Lots if we do it in one I'm going to give away my personal Endeavor of uh science ship if it takes more than one uh you could I don't know why I'm setting you guys up to hate me I don't know why you're doing it either there's no way you're doing this in if there's a

460. 06:43:00

     miracle somebody's going to get my Endeavor all right so so I'm going to try my hardest Ben's going to try to do the hardest mission in the game in one shot so peut Gallery is going to be silent I'm not going to say anything he's not going to talk do trivia throughout the whole thing we're give him his best shot at doing the hardest mission in one and if he does it we are going to raffle away and Endeavor um but I will also note that let me let me explain why it's the hardest mission um which in a normal you know escort missions are the hardest thing in the game as you've already seen I I had to do that dond mission again uh and so on uh saving somebody else's ship is much harder than killing things on your own uh because you know if if you get in a furball you

461. 06:43:47

     can always after burn away recharge come back and fight esar Mission a little um you have to do things quickly one game Balan thing in this is that uh a Teran a Teran ship maybe has say a th000 hit I'm making these numbers up at they exemp so Teran Destroyer might have a thousand hit points because you have to protect it and it's very hard a krai destroyer has maybe 200 hit points because it's your job to blow it up and they don't want to make it too hard the problem with this mission is that you are supposed to save a captured krai capital ship but they did not change the number of hit points so um it dies very very very very very quickly um I will caution right now it may die too quickly depending on the emulator if if

462. 06:44:35

     that's the case we'll just go to the rostov system and play that way but uh I would like to at least try a couple times to beat this one see what we can do would you call this a great bavor yes yes I would um there's some debate as to whether or not this is the hardest mission in win Commander history the other option is the last mission of Special Operations one the uh the uh mission pack for win Commander 2 first mission pack for win Commander 2 um I tend to I tend to lean towards Wing Commander 2 is the harder the Special Operations is the harder one but uh let's see what happens should I move this uh yeah I think we have to talk to shot glass and all that stuff yes let's talk to shot glass take a Lo off Bandit I've got good news we just got a report from The Siege

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     force over kurasawa 4 the CSS suffle just torched to killay communication station by the way only time they use CSS for confederation ship ever it's TCS everywhere else that should keep those Kathy jerks in the dark for a while I'll let you know if I hear anything else see you Bandit those kraay jerks Bandit son do you have time to share I am inspired by the reports of our successes we are doing well still I am sure that there are many batt B left to be fought the kathi will not be vanquished until they are beaten on their own

464. 06:46:15

     territory beware A desperate enemy Bandit they will stop at nothing to defeat you until we meet again thank you friend for warning me about desperate enemies that was a nice casual station good day Bandit heard you're flying a Rapier these days is it really as quick as everyone says I've got to see it in action I just got back from the patrol out near kirawa 4 that was a nightmare me and lightning were jumped by a couple wings of GRA who's lightning they just add a new character we managed

465. 06:47:05

     to take out five of them before they got lightning who's lightning there are 104 fighters on this carrier but if we' had those rapers I bet that we'd never have taken a hit oh so now it's our fault cuz we were hogging the rapers they're good ships you're lucky to get one to fly he is totally blaming us for the death of lightning so they um the background characters lightning red bird all the others the guys in the they show up more on the losing path you don't ever see them they just get mentioned a lot um now lightning is dead and it's s of a night totally blames us cuz we're hogging the Raper say this right yes it's already too late for dibles in tuner yeah okay boys and girls we've been at

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     this less than 4 hours ago we received a code blue transmission it seems our boys captured were a Larry class destroyer in the port Headland system sector command wants to use this ship in our Siege here at kirisawa I've given my assurances that we'll bring her in intact I'm sending a wing to rendevu with a Rari and escort it to the claw boss man and Bandit this one's yours Bandit will fly lead understood Colonel here's the scenario computer display Omron the Rari entered the system at the jump point near nav one there's an asteroid belt along the way keep your eyes peeled for

467. 06:48:45

     trouble once you've arrived at the rendevu point you'll escort the Destroyer back here on another note our sensors show a Kathy Force approaching at high speed they must have been sent to prevent us from getting the Rari expect a tough fight that's all gentlemen I'm not not even going to ask questions all right let's do this thing all right no peanut gallery comments comment no no I mean me I'm the P You're the you can't read what they're saying anyway no I can't no give them their best chance for a bavor if he makes it in one if he makes it in one we'll give away a

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     bavor start with some Rock Cats d this is not the hard part by the

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     way you can talk this part AR is predicting that you'll crash you'll beat it one then crash and Landing is it less hard if you remember to use your wom no not really you have to you have to very quickly get the there three three or four graa you have to get them

470. 06:51:46

     off the Rari very very quickly if you get lucky your when might take one but not often because of how hard it is to crack a g one where I consider likeing to times to improve my chances yeah and thank you Mission designer for putting those uh Kathy and the asteroid field in the way there cuz that's always going through that over and over again fun look I blew up an aster e a

471. 06:54:49

     okay I got through the graa that is it isn't it that is it oh wait let's not celebrate until I'm landed and the colonel tells me it made it home s safe hey if I move the mouse I still affect you right yeah so this if I move the mouse like this oh too late okay there could still be some terrible error nice holding the side of your there looks like it got a little hot out sir I'm going to say that every single

472. 06:55:41

     day when he comes into work for like a week all right wow this might just got like 3 hours shorter all right guys captur P the formation with the claw good oh my God all right we're starting the raffle raffle is open this will be a quick one you guys get it you get my uh my personal Endeavor the one they give me for working on it yeah slow Mode's on so save save your entry for your raffle right now we'll give I will give some allows you one Post in a minute so I will give you two minutes for you and your G the crew so shortterm short-term Ravel only if you're here you are here you are paying attention you watch Ben do it in one we get Ben's

473. 06:56:35

     personal Endeavor which we will not be able to attribute until Tuesday because there's no skew for it yet but we'll get it to you I commend you on bringing back the dismissed and I got a medal for it this is the most deserved medal ever it was it was a pretty solid run dude that was pretty good I can't really believe that happened I I was taunting and switching targets and yeah the comments were like Ben is focused okay about 40 seconds left in the raffle get your raffle in on or about it just happened how do you not know when it happened people are texting me about what CR flying that was that's

474. 06:57:28

     awesome your boy finally did good 25 seconds get your entri in a silver star but you'll take it right major Lesnik which which one was this was a bar it was a silver a bar for the silver all right closing up the raffle raffle is closed guys good job Bandit congratulations now this war is not over we still we have five more mission um at least one of them will be pretty tough um but yeah that filled with pride you meet the Applause of your fellows everybody Applause to the fellows thank you thank you Applause to

475. 06:58:16

     the fellows how about a cator drink of some y all right Pepsi lemon the winner the winner of a brand new Ben de look at this all friend yep yep and technically since none of them have been attributed this will be the first no we gave about the first onv this is the third we out two yeah when did we get out of De well we promised the first one for a uh for the social bested oh that's right but we haven't picked one yet so they haven't awarded it yet it's they still get the first one this is my one it's that's true that's true this Ben's One the winner is arcanus Imperium arcanus Imperium arcanus Imperium congratulations you're

476. 06:59:05

     the winner of the bavor so you joined twitch 22 days ago so arcanus uh send a private message to cig community on Twitch with your email with email address assigned to your star assistant account if you don't have a star assistant account for any reason you can go to robertsspaceindustries.com register for an account and then send us that email associated with it and we'll assign you your bavor sometime next week congratul UL ation to everybody else crumbs good morning major House's tricks have you seen the newss have you been turning tricks is that what he just said said house tricks also trds what the news trds oh mostly reruns last I saw is totally man I mean can't we ever

477. 06:59:55

     get any new shows what happened to the Confederate News Network it's getting harder to know what's going on before everyone else does around here after all I've got a reputation as omnition bartender to upold no I'm ice man I'm ice looks like you've got the hair balls on the run but I won't sleep well until they're sector still I'd like to get my hands on one of them face to face to answer for what they did to my family on Vegas seven seven oh why didn't they teach us from

478. 07:00:44

     numerals in school oh that's because they start they they stopped using they they stopped with six and seven was called Generations I never learned Roman numerals past six by by the way there is a one of these intertial in uh secret missions 2 with Iceman that I tear up every time that some of these have some power to them uh where he talks about his daughter being rescued from aathy slav ship and she can't really speak or eat anymore but it's it's it's it's like a they they figure out how to do some powerful writing with just this uh within the year when they do super missions too hunter say there mate go a minute again please do now let sendy see

479. 07:01:32

     this I've had a chat with the colonel he says we'll be flying together soon let me give you a few notes on Miss style before we launch right off I'm not as crazy as some people say I've just got my own ways long as we take a crack and any furballs we see I'll be happy also never hurts to check out every angle even when it means going against plan after all you just might find something you'd Miss otherwise all right I saved it already

480. 07:02:23

     so so let's finish off the curwa series I I believe I'm rescuing an exitor in this all right people we've received a tight band transmission from the formidable an exitor class destroyer she's just come from a scrape and she's in rough shape your mission will be to rendevu with her and guard her against further attack Hunter and Waxman you get the duty Hunter will fly lead excuse me sir I served in the formidable back to the academy if possible I'd like this Mission also I just did kisawa two in one shot very well Bandit you and boss man get the nod Bandit will take the

481. 07:03:14

     lead thank you sir way to abuse your Authority here's the flight plan computer display Chi yeah thanks me for volunteering for another escort you are to proceed directly to the formidable which jumped in at nav one the Destroyers reported a Minefield between nav one and the claw once you arrived at the rendevu point you'll escort the Destroyer back here you should return by a nav to and avoid the Minefield entirely be on guard the K rothi would love to take out an exitor class ship just I'm just not even asking for questions anymore this game is trolling me completely hey you never gives people enough time to ask questions how is that giving them that time to ask questions

482. 07:04:01

     now he's going time to ask questions now he's not asking for questions at all thank you this really is the greatest achievement of my life and it's sad how close to uh close real there's a bunch of something over yeah what there's droy it's droy man easy as eating

483. 07:05:13

     pancakes oh there's the formidable hello formidable you've taken a couple

484. 07:06:01

     hits for not to have had that happen you drinking more Pepsi lemon no just Pepsi oh okay I don't even know where the Pepsi lemon is yes good job why is it taking forever to crack this

485. 07:07:11

     at this rate I play this Mission I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Can't Believe It's Not Butter now there's no more Pepsi lemon toast threw it out it was eating through the bottle ah have to redo this one I have to redo this one not because the ship blew up well because the ship blew up but not because it was destroyed by the crants I flew outside the radius and caused it to explode uh this is something that will

486. 07:08:00

     happen with your wi Commander if you fly too far outside the radius Mission radius occasionally these ships will blow up you don't have to fly it again right you're in Venice now one way or the other I I want to I I got to save my ship I was out on the academy okay it's the sh you wouldn't known anything about that you betray the Federation what kind of pizza do we have

487. 07:08:49

     we had those uh was from Pizza Hut it the cheesy garlic notot Crust Pizza yeah they're pretty good I had two slices of had like five we should see if there are any people doing real work upstairs and if so they should get the rest of the pizza this is actually my first experience with wing Commander it's a lot of fun watching you play thank you said no one oh no master that was said by Norther Winslow thank you Norther Winslow it's very kind of you to say am having a pretty good time a great time now okay there's the

488. 07:10:26

     formidable now run head log into it which then actually happen I was ready to get the connection thing I guess I didn't need to so hyped for squadron 42 after watching this dude I've been on a steady hype for squadron 42 since I got here how you doing back there

489. 07:11:23

     Alex good job a cramp with a dumbfire missile feet in and of itself he pulled like right up to its Underside and hit the brakes yes 142 will have at least 256 colors not all want somebody just realized that if you

490. 07:12:35

     decided to star in a sequel to bad meat they call it bad meatloaf bad meatloaf good one spork there's one current running away

491. 07:14:23

     also if cats are your mortal enemies you named a ship Tiger's claw the weapon of your enemies M and it's a ble class carrier foret that there's some collusion going on or something you got away pretty clean sir that I skip leg day good to have you back what's the status of the Destroyer she's been putting the toe and is powering down for repairs no

492. 07:15:11

     damage good you've earned us one more ship we have to use against the hair balls is it furballs or hair balls make your mind both of you have doing a fine job let's review your performance Bandit you did everything congratulations boss man you ripped one bossman's call was actually rip Ripper at Point why don't you go and see Commander delu wait Commander delaguardia Dela Guardia she's already has to meet her escort Delia delaguardia dismissed meanwhile meanwhile primitive

493. 07:16:01

     alien Village rosoff system the rosoff system we did not have to visit because I beat as the karoi fleet flees rosof before the advancing human warships a handful of Kathy Marines are stranded on rosto's jungle world while the prives poked them in the ass with a sck apparently where they are captured by the native sentients the mopo is there ever a pilot in any of the wing commanders that's a mopo there's not so Bandit here we are in the Venice

494. 07:16:49

     system in the heart of Kathy space about a mile from here of course the hairballs have their own name for it carar I think this hital planet is a water world like Port headlands is is carart we call Venice because of the ancient ruins on it sinking into the ocean but the Killy cats supposed to like the water so they put their base in the system in an orbital station tactical thinks if we find that station and take it out we'll take out the brains of the Kathy operations in the whole Center Kar sounds like a karate clearing throat I had a r in with Kaja a while back he's the coldest furball I've ever seen I was flying with dragon out of

495. 07:17:41

     yellow jacket Squadron we ran into kajar the Fang while we were flying Watch Dog on a tanker we shot his Wiman to bits and put his own Shields and lasers out but he still keeps coming we're tight on his tail but he holds his course and fires off a missile one shot right up the tanker's tail pipe and she blows up big as day and while draggon at me with dodging debris The Hairy bastard makes his Escape what accent is that people are

496. 07:18:30

     saying I don't know here do you do Hunter uh it does Australian right yeah oh I can't think of an a accident right now just moved over to the black wow I'm completely I'm completely unable to do an Australian accent because Sandy might watch this at some point I you made that joke what why can't I do it real quick I can't do an x a you've been doing an laser that's not KN we we've gotten tired to the point that we can't do an Australian accent yeah I keep what I keep coming up is like Cockney that didn't work although it does kind of look like does kind of look Cockney check the leaderboards oh yeah you're a cogn Australian good day M yeah major

497. 07:19:22

     you guys have watching me kill 102 Kil so far 14 missions which means we're four away from the end of the game good ey mate now I get weird I've done an Australian accent before I'm I have like a good day mate it's me the Croc Hunter that's no life I keep going cotney I'm like stuck there's like some weird thing I keep trying to co me all right boys and girls welcome Venice Confederate sector command believes the system is vital to the kathi some intelligent reports indicate the kathi my command maybe located in a star base somewhere in this system if that is the case we need to find it as quickly as

498. 07:20:11

     possible we'll immediately commence an intensive schedule of Recon patrols to identify all vessels and large objects in the system mandit you'll lead Epsilon Wing I'm putting Hunter with you glad to be on your wing mate here's your route gentlemen computer display Epsilon by the way Hunter is the main character in Freedom flight you'll fly a fourpoint patrol at the first nav Point you'll fly by one of your own exitor from there on out though you'll be into unknown territory now there's a lot of debris

499. 07:21:00

     floating out around out there and we believe that a lot of it is going to be kill wrathy Minds you'll be flying near De breze at navs 1 2 and three so be careful and I want to report on your on locations of any Mine Fields you encounter any questions Bandit Hunter what kind of enemy shifts do you expect us to encounter I'm the only one with eyes since this is a major gilra based system we expect a strong enemy presence you can meet almost anything out there when we spot them Colonel do we mix it up Bandit will have to make that call but I'd recommend engaging anything up to a Rari now if there aren't any questions all right then Squadron

500. 07:21:49

     dismissed there were just several questions what's Freedom flight Freedom flight is the first of the wing Commander Noles yes oh we want here got the soundtrack CD all right let's do this Patrol here's an exitor with some rapers escorting it hello see this is Chris Robert's immersion right here here there's absolutely no reason for this to be here other than to let me know that there is a larger Wing Commander world out there

501. 07:22:38

     I'm just it's a flyby that I can't engage there's no kathi I'm not having a battle there's just another human ship with ESR Fighters you you it's getting across in the mission that I'm traveling into unknown territory now going past the last outpost who Nine Cats D the kath are so angry with us because we keep naming all our crap after cats like that's our stick we're the cat people you are not cat

502. 07:23:28

     people I'm sure the karrai are live streaming uh kathi Commander are like do humans have stuff that looks like us is that why they keep saying that and they're like yeah I read in the manual that there are human uh creatures on Earth oh my God I four on the stream I'm sorry too many rocks too many rocks too many rocks by the way I'm glad that Chris

503. 07:24:20

     Roberts confirmed that the ones that kind of randomly pop out of nowhere and hit you are intentional also Chris Roberts is a jerk I guess yeah I know you said here goes yeah go what really sucks is when they just pop out of nowhere and get you which by the way just happened I've had that happen a lot Dage what have we

504. 07:25:12

     here why aari the encounters are Fang are randomized nope nope these are all scripted So when you say what have we here you actually know what's coming yes I do know all yeah I definitely never finished CU I don't remember anything about K one or two Stu before honestly think crant are my least

505. 07:26:06

     favorite ones to face off against they're they're just tough cuz they're good all around use and they take a lot of damage that one especially took lot of damage was that Kaja i k kaj oh it was worth it I'm sure Ben was happy to trade an Endeavor for getting that in one yeah yeah that buy my own in hey it's FR

506. 07:27:09

     yep yeah work but it's still nice to get paid mhm you know when uh Joe G was showing up hobbs' fight suit uh thing I could think was that would fit me I like that would fit me I have no idea why Jo not show this off but he also has Hobs he has Hobs is flight suit and Hobs yes well he show he showed off the the the the Kathy leader though that Prince

507. 07:27:58

     yeah Prince draa draa okay he's not Crown Prince at this point yet his father Prince gilard is uh at this time in the M better timeline it's the prince um that will change after secret missions one yeah no we don't play for Lando ships he's the director of community Engagement online strategy in spaceships I'm a community manager I can't I can't afford to give away my ships there's kaj oh look another wave great oh and it's graa great there's graa no ship sales do not coincide with cig

508. 07:28:44

     payday or CG I PID Aces you I just tried to drink no it's only when Ben says it not when you guys say it that's only because it might be my favorite character name in existence what caraang carong I had Pepsi in my mou oh crumbs that again I'm sorry um anser which I'm guessing is

509. 07:29:40

     Chris aner uh yes but I need dialogue for it like I need a script it's some voices require specific dialogue because there are some characters would only say certain things so you kind of link it to the dialogue but yeah I've done that one before any questions out there I can answer

510. 07:31:12

     while I uh try this Mission Again they're they're just asking me to do voices no I'm not doing voices I'm not your monkey uh can we get an 8 bit star assist mini game well you might want to check out hyper Vanguard Force yes we literally already have it it's uh it's pretty cool yeah um can you find a link for hyper force and put it in chat here hey somebody find a link for hyper Vanguard force and put it in chat believe it's hyper Vanguard Force 4 hyper Vanguard Force 4 although there isn't a one two or three don't go looking for those there it is thank you

511. 07:32:06

     celestian kataria karia it's a lot of vowels in that name there's many links many links to hyper Vanguard Force how much do we hate Freddy Prince Jr's voice in the win Commander movie I don't hate Freddy Prince Junior's voice at all Freddy p is actually a really uh he's a really stand up guy mhm um he also does the voice on uh Star Wars Rebels and uh he does a great job with that now we're big fans of fre jior here he's not in uh2 no he's not in Squadron 42 don't don't start that rumor he's not in there

512. 07:33:02

     too busy making Star Wars probably yeah we get that a lot hey Alexis someone's asking for a hyper Vanguard Force arcade game fler in the hanger no they can't hear you at all you'd be really excited if you could

513. 07:33:52

     have heard what you said uh we answered this earlier but of all the win Commander ports when which is your favorite Ben uh favorite that's a good question uh Wing 3 for 3dr I would say absolutely that I think that is the single best port ever uh I'm counting like all game development and any uh any after the fact PC to console Port that uh people should study that when they're

514. 07:34:42

     designing stuff uh we have three more missions after this yep three more missions and at the end of the stream for those of you who stick it out with us a signed copy of wing Commander perfectly pristine box was just opened earlier on the live stream so that Chris could sign so you can re shrink R it when you get it if you want of course how to you sh rabbit to preserve it oh not to try to fool people watch it

515. 07:35:33

     bucko right that's twice now what's your favorite Mission favorite Mission uh there's a mission in secret missions 2 where um the colonel warns you not to return to the nav point after uh after you are first there and uh if you do you find there's three froy and like 20 escort Fighters and it's just this incredible challenge uh I love that mission

516. 07:36:37

     yeah I said the part of the original L he's the one that went with three what's your favorite part of the original l h um can I see secret missions for the uh for the uh SNES that's a pretty good one cuz they actually changed the they actually mess around around with h hit points and everything so that it uh is more of an arcade experience I forgot to mention earlier that the uh the Super Nintendo versions actually do add some stuff uh there's a cool mode seven like takeoff scene where your fighter kind of like goes down the uh goes down the Tiger's claw sort of starf FO style I got to tell you things we not

517. 07:37:26

     going well in this mission you do worse the more you talk yeah I'm in real life y uh Hunter is

518. 07:39:10

     dead I have no armor I'm getting a jack Warning Hunter has died so chat do I continue without hunter or not is that supposed to be part of the

519. 07:39:58

     experience it happen yeah yeah I should go on I guess means two or three more missions in Venice solo except for the one where you we don't SP that's not so we going on with that Hunter yes yes yep they caught him y sorry Hunter well we have yet to see a funeral or reject scene wait no we saw saw christas we haven't seen a wing made it back alive sir good to see you made it back alive sir there seems to be a poop smear on the side of your ship accident that's what's left of Hunter per

520. 07:40:51

     death welcome back Bandit did you hit all your nav points that's the first thing out of your mouth yes sir all four running anything unusual out there well I lost a wing man that's kind of unusual that never happened before oh I heard it he was in the system how'd you do against him I did okay hter not so much you know he's not here right excellent job congratulations Bandit all right then let's go over the numbers oh please please please please please you scrag nine of the kill Wy Fighters

521. 07:41:44

     Bandit and Hunter did in to himself good job Hunter the flea bags took out Hunter conversation totally Dynamic they're to have these options how are they hearing you mik how do any astronauts hear each other he was the Maverick of the school see they're all saying this guy this

522. 07:42:33

     guy's cold the rec room won't be the same without you Hunter goodbye canonically by the way Hunter lives all the way to 2668 where he dies in the novel Fleet action that's the third wi Commander novel and it's the favorite of many many people compl action is which one the Haka carrier yeah the Haka carrier hey so they just they're realizing that we let the Australian guy die so we didn't have to keep doing his voice for meritorious conduct in confronting the kill Wrath of the

523. 07:43:26

     enemy waitting for it in the v system honor of I can't even do anymore how many Wing Commander novels are there um Freedom flight and run the original Bay set Freedom flight end run Fleet action win Commander 3 win Commander 4 action stations false colors so seven seven from the original ban package then there was the winand movie adaptation by Peter tup U Movie sequel called Pilgrim Stars it released online only through ws.com through no effort of uh no small effort of myself trying to work out the legal rights uh sequel to that uh they

524. 07:44:15

     originally commissioned three novels he wrote all three and uh they only published two uh so Seven original Three movie novels there's also stuff like the uh Wiman one and two guide it's written in first person as a narrative um there a young adult version of the movie novelization um yeah one thing I would love to see is uh some some publisher get the rights to do more wi Commander books you could do even like some other country that loves win Commander more than the US does you could you could bring the series back as novels hey V I hear you ran into k out the Fang out there yesterday Colonel say you did him in man that hairballs needed killing since I was a rookie one of the pilots from Killer B Squadron was in earlier my old Squadron said that

525. 07:45:05

     one Barack Star Killer would be coming to ven soon cuz I missed him before thought you might like to know so you can keep an eye out the boss man here might like to come at a big ship from behind but I like to approach the big ones from the side you know what I mean from the side they've all got their missiles to the the front and most of their guns to the front and the back true enough if you coming from the side you'll have time to get in close then you can really let that sucker have it ain't that right butthead you didn't think I was going to

526. 07:45:52

     get through without a butthead did you Bandit have a seat Lieutenant Marshall and I were just discussing tactics we're likely to be coming up against an increasing number of big ships it is important to know how to approach them when attempting to destroy a large ship such as a frothy I prefer to attack from the rear wow large vessel's armor is always weakest about the oh it's funny because when I first started doing this I considered giving him a George dequay voice not knowing that was coming this will be on the internet

527. 07:46:48

     perpetuity I have heard that as well Lieutenant though I see no reason to believe KRA captains are so cowardly oh my although I have no reason to believe that kathi captains are so cowardly all right guys three missions left after extensive reconnaissance of this section of the Venice system our patrols have located and identified a number of Kathy vessels in our next several missions we'll be engaging in destroying these ships our Fighters will be working with fighters from the carrier key Koto which has recently joined us in the Venice system Bandit you're first step with new

528. 07:47:37

     Wing you'll be going after a froy with a couple of Kyoto's Fighters computer new you'll Rondevu with two rapers Fox Tru wing and the Kyoto from here from this point you'll proceed to nav one skirting the edge of an asteroid field then you'll head to on to nav 2 the last reported position of the froy she can't be far from this point and she's an awfully big bogey you shouldn't have any trouble finding her questions do we know what sort of fighter escort the froy has with her she'll be well guarded tactical says

529. 07:48:27

     to look for graa on wide Patrol and either a salty or a crant flying close escort anyone else not doing not yet just not often he's still in shaking head that's what happens is the day goes on he's the one who starts shaking his head not me Squadron dismissed three missions left guys

530. 07:49:28

     I will reveal a secret which is that you can actually eject from all three of these first missions and still win the series but uh I really feel like we have to win them anyway oh at this point yeah this is going on the internet for opportunity this will be the wing Commander playthrough that people on the internet look at for till the end of time I mean it actually has Chris Roberts playing Wing Commander at one point can't cheat now I me we colored our hair blue here's the worst part if you eject the first time you eject you get a metal there's a special metal for ejecting special ejection metal he didn't crash he got shot

531. 07:50:23

     down we're not doing secret missions today but we are going to look up when it was released and maybe do a live stream then um actually Chris Reed if you're in the chat you can probably uh tell folks there and we'll see if that's a good day for uh another live stream live fun fact this is the first time I've ever seen Wing Commander gameplay good where did the rapers go I don't care that as is like following you you

532. 07:51:15

     the was like I'm coming for you ah it's a little warm in here I I turned the AC on I turned it down pretty low but uh December 4th for secret missions we could probably pull that off maybe what day of the week is it what day of the week is it is December 4th December 4th is Friday or we can do it on the Saturday turn up the graphics computer says hit or computer system hit

533. 07:53:05

     December could happen probably SEC missions how many secret missions are there there are 16 secret missions so it's like a whole another game yeah but there's no losing path well we're not doing losing path anyway look how much damage

534. 07:53:54

     this I can't believe it I should overuse joke oh sorry guys still doing that we're so close CRS how folks in chat hanging on this

535. 07:54:45

     grant be possible I grant believe just I can't believe we can't we Grant stop using these Grant jokes you can't do that on television yes they did never tell you I was in altine with one of the Stars if you can't do that on television no but you just told the world uh her her her her her dad lived in in Southern California so when she visited she had to go to meetings you cuz you can't do that on television with a Canadian show as you remember you know being those meetings like hey that's the girlfriend

536. 07:55:32

     who can't do that on television I should try to run game on her I was nine NOP sorry

537. 07:56:44

     keeps up almost there guys I think we'll do uh might do one more ship raffle after this and then the uh game at the end yeah okay we'll do one more ship raffle after Ben uh completes this Mission If I complete this Mission well

538. 07:57:34

     he's going to complete this Mission I'm not going to say it'll be the last chip rapple but we'll at least do one more and uh after that we still have the brand new just open today sign copy of the original Wing Commander it's pristine it's pretty cool Co now the raffle isn't right now guys assume there's like robots that are viewing it and responding to the word raffle apparently or something what's in the box everything

539. 07:58:27

     that comes with the Box we actually detailed it at the beginning of the stream so uh when this is all done you you can watch the replay and see exactly what's in the box that's a salty that is a was yes it's it's it's one that comes

540. 07:59:17

     with a three 3 and 1 half inch floppy discs but I will happily throw in a copy on GG along with it so you can actually play on a computer first I can't believe I've been watching this since I woke up can't believe theal ship reason I didn't

541. 08:00:24

     original it's like a Corvette game why would I want that well there's a wi novel about how cool life on the Corvette is fr oh wow I totally forgot about Sim ants you ever play Sim ants yeah I have the mystery button yeah I really become a spider and have lasers I have completely forgot forgotten that existed but I really enjoyed s 500 a.m. here in Denmark but have to see Ben beat the game you're keeping these people up man sorry guys he only did kirisawa to in one shot trying his best not to waste your

542. 08:01:19

     time yeah I wonder if there's I wonder if Gog has s ant they don't unfortunately I don't remember anything about Sim an other than really enjoying it that's the only memory I have of it this absolutely Pleasant feeling washing over my brain you really like that but I don't remember why I can't pull up an image of what the game looks like I I got nothing I a CO giant manual weird yes it I would imagine it had ants although I can't remember them did X-Wing come with blence uh no I

543. 08:02:10

     don't believe so I think the first edition of X-Wing came with like a Noella m m

544. 08:03:30

     yay the other rap are mute so it's weird seeing them score a kill and not say anything a joy stick hand hurts looks like it's getting a little

545. 08:04:17

     hot out there sir uh going to be a little bit for the uh raffle guys the computer that was that runs the raffle just crashed so it's rebooting thank you sir that fraly was a tough oh the fraly that's unimportant compared to what's in your computer an Intel processor Intel bringing good things to life tactical started analyzing your log as soon as you arrived and download it starting with your search history that fraly was in direct contact with the Kathy starving and tactical can use the intelligence you gather to find it they'll have her location pinpointed within the

546. 08:05:06

     hour that's fantastic sir when do we move against her soon very soon for now though let's go over your mission report this is why we didn't run it on here City here Idol yes sir good credits you with 11 I got 11 I imagine I'm saying talking about how many ships you're killing I thought your wingman didn't kill very many at all oh look what's sad look how sad Hunter was supposed to be here very sad o Bandit lad things are looking up aren't they I heard the pull all the ships in gathering them all around that star base we've been looking for

547. 08:05:58

     but they're supposed to have mine the system pretty earily i' see you can't be too careful when you're flying through a mo field I don't know what just go with it all right guys Raffles open seeing the news on the TRD lately looks like the KY are starting to pull sector we chased him out of Brimstone Cawa gimly and now they're pulling out a tardus in nilheim too looks like Venice is going to be where they make their stand and we'll be here to help kick him out of the Vegas sector V Vegas history in the making man look at that face such Fidelity for

548. 08:06:47

     some reason I imagine him as the Tiger's CLA Dennis Daniels all right so what are we giving away right now man uh give one of every type of hornet hm M stick with military theme ships I think that's appropriate yeah angle no let's let's give away a hall SE that's our version of a Draymond and we've saved a bunch of Draymond today so a whole SE transport giving away a whole SE transport that's what everybody's raffling for right now so if you're like E I don't really want I'm not going to enter raffle and then you're like oh oh all see enter we'll let it go for a little while because Venice is a vital kill rathy system we expect significant resistance as we move

549. 08:07:35

     the claw into position I've been to Venice for that reason I'll be dispatching wings to fly on our flanks to head off any attacks from the sides as we move Bandit you'll guard our starboard side here's your room computer display f or Pi F five Pi P Pi this is what did you say five five I had to write the first except blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah instead of R return to the claw's original position not really good when you missed that be on the lookout for any enemy vessels in the area it's safe to assume any coth you see is headed to attack the claw so your orders are to immediately

550. 08:08:23

     engage and Destroy enemy ships there any questions they're no kill Wy Girl Scouts sing kind of opposition are we looking at on this sir hard to say bandit this is a crucial crucial base for the kilraine so they'll send their best to defend it now if that's all the dismissed that was the most considerate he's been in the whole now if that is all the questions and he has dot dot dot he waited all right then it's like taking this long into the game but you know KAG is finally like all right you're people by the way when we talk about

551. 08:09:15

     like Chris Roberts insisting on things in the game weird details this is a good example of that this is a mission there's absolutely no reason other than to make the mission slightly more interesting to change change the nav Point have the Tiger Claw move from point to point it's a whole new system you have to add into the game just to make this Mission and no others work but it makes it more interesting this is the second to last mission this is the penultimate Mission penultimate Mission Jesus love Ms Ben and diso you guys rock this was an awesome day hanging with you said no one no said slippery pixels that like the name of a character in

552. 08:10:02

     Rick and Morty yeah if they're complimenting me they actually said it our background Starfield has stopped moving that's how long we've been doing remember guys you only need to enter the raffle once it does not count uh additional entries all you do is annoy your fellow viewers it's twitch chat that's what it's for no this twitch chat's been pretty good good I'm you you guys have been you guys this is this has easily been the best twitch chat I've ever I've

553. 08:10:50

     ever seen that's not even exaggeration may maybe that's for the slow mode cuz you only get you know one shot every 2 minutes so you guys make it count it's one of the reasons I like the slow mode actually but you guys have been great guess and since the Raffles have started we've gained 30 new bot viewers what do you think of the missions in the add-ons where you fly the draw I love those missions they're very very very very very hard and uh if we do a live stream of that for the anniversary secret missions too I will gladly uh give him a shot uh now that I've seen this far in

554. 08:11:41

     the game what do I think of uh wink man I've adored Wing Commander like I said when I didn't own a computer when Wing Commander 1 2 and three came out but uh one of one of my oldest friends had win Commander 3 and I used to dream up any excuse I could to to hang out at his house and try to convince him to play Wing Commander cuz you he had a bunch of other he had a bunch of other games too and I'm like play the wing commander and I was never very good at it I used to use the keyboard shortcut to uh just blow you know whatever you're targeted blows up you know because I just loved exploring the narrative it was it was absolutely revelatory to me as as far as what a video game could be and so much so that would wink I had become so invested to wink Commander because of win Commander 3 that when win Commander

555. 08:12:29

     4 came out I bought it without owning a computer so I bought it just to have it I did that with the console ports back in the day I mean I would I would save up my allowance to buy the PlayStation Port of wi Commander 4 just so I had it so so I own wi Commander 4 and I'm like someday I'll have a computer that can run it and I I actually uh uh eventually I did I don't remember the detail I think I think it was a WI our 4 run on one 5 uh you had you got a patch that allowed it to okay I I think that's when I could play because I I I might no I had a did play on Windows 3 one no uh four well you can play it in Windows you up do yeah that's right that's I had a heet Packard I got a heet Packard from a uh from a a yard sale and that that's

556. 08:13:18

     when I was finally able sorry I'm I'm an old man it's a long time ago what's a h Packer y that like a Packer Bell yes and while I enjoyed it thoroughly I didn't devote a simple portion of my life to it like like the gentleman am I right so it's hard for me to remember details yeah I I I I remember just flipping open it had it had that it was the red and it had like the the circle with the yellow lightning bolt through it I just remember I used to just flip through the packaging think this is so cool somay get to play it and eventually I did and I uh I uh for me rink matter 4 is my favorite because it was the first one I I bought it it was it was it was

557. 08:14:08

     mine and I kind of just stared at it and longed for it for so long plus I like I really enjoyed the story I like lik how it turned everything on its ear and it it did not go where one would expect the story to go cuz after three versus the K you expect okay you'll do a fourth one K Roy and I I really enjoyed it on a narrative Lev level I still had to keyboard shortcut kill everything cuz I still sucked and I didn't own a joystick sometimes I just like go into YouTube

558. 08:15:04

     and watch when people compile all the cut scenes and stuff they just like make a a movie out of it I'll watch Wing Commander 3 or 4 just for the movie Ben did you play Win Commander 3 on CD ROM or dvd uh wi Commander 3 was only ever on uh CD it was a little bit before DVD uh Wing 4 had a DVD Port um it uh it came out first on CD every played p in CD first uh it was about a year a year and a half later that the DVD Port was released the DV Port only came with

559. 08:15:52

     particular DVD uh kits uh creative lab uh dxr2 or dxr 3 kit I worked all summer at a camp for the blind when I was in high school to earn the $500 that that kit cost it was the most I ever spent on anything at the time and I was so proud of that DVD uh it it was so cool seeing wi for and high resolution all right guys we're closing down the raffle so we're closing the raffle the raffle is now closed you may stop entering the raffle I just cleared out the mission is that a small child yeah that was that's my child all right I don't

560. 08:16:42

     have any childs all right and we're drawing a winner for the hall sea the hall sea this is a spaceship and Star Citizen for anyone that doesn't know that the winner of the hall sea is running gun 79 running gun 79 you are the winner of the hall SE congratulations running gun 79 uh joined twitch over almost 12200 days ago so he's a he's a he's an old school twitch follower so congratulations running gun 79 uh send a private message to our cig Community account on Twitch with the email address of your star szen account and we will attribute your whole C sometime next week if for any reason you don't know what star szen is is you don't have an account already you can go to robertsspaceindustries.com

561. 08:17:30

     register for an account let us know what the email address was that you used to register that account and we will tribute your whole C sometime next week so congratulations once again to running gun 79 yay one of my favorite things about Wing Commander one is that while you're uh while how you play determines what happens in the war you're not actually winning every battle it's the stuff you hear about uh I just think it's a great way to tell the story um I love that big universe sense you you don't even get it again in any other Wing commander games but it's cool here my favorite pieces to F glad I reckon this fight's just about over that Bloody time too that's what I say I spent my career fing the

562. 08:18:21

     Ki you didn't know how much it means to me to be here now that we're out run their fuzzy Tales sect you don't get much Maniac in this game uh because I've been winning if you lose like you don't fly with Maniac if you win he's a punishment so so if you if if if you suck they give you Maniacs so you suck more yeah the90s games were harsh oh wait you see secret missions I mean not like if you suck okay we'll we'll start giving you the the better wingman to kind of help you out no they just wow well let's just tell the way it turned out I mean in a perfect game you don't fly with either Maniac or ice oh sorry I'm interrupting Ben's Belgian woman voice you want me to do the Belgian

563. 08:19:10

     woman B Star Killer has defeated SW hands of our M Pilots so just we're at the end guys this is the last mission my a couple tries but last mission and we'll we'll do the giveaway for the we signed uh Mint Condition Wing commander game at the end of the stream so you don't fly with Iceman or a maniac in a perfect playthrough you don't see a froy until the last series you don't see kajja the Fang until the last series um if we had left more Kath the aces alive they would all appear in this

564. 08:19:57

     Mission only Kaja has survived um so we will run into him this should be a pretty good challenge without a wingman uh but I'm pretty confident we'll be able to pull it off and take a couple tries by the way oh also by the way BL up a fr all youing your way in don't be gross you guys have been so good don't be gross what being gross about angel no well you do hook up with her

565. 08:20:47

     later speaking of which actually not speaking of which in any way um if you play Super Wing commer instead of this at the end of the game you hear from the ghosts of all the wingman who have died they give you words of encouragement and of course one of one of your wing I'm not can't say which dies during the course of uh secret missions 2 story so you you'll always hear from that one's ghost at the end of so weird if you're interested in doing like the win Commander Universe in Timeline order

566. 08:21:35

     you start with the first episode of win Commander Academy well you start with the novel uh action stations but you start with if you want to do 2654 which is when a lot of this stuff takes place you start with uh wink Commander Academy first episode red and blue you follow that up with uh the win Commander movie then there are a couple episodes of Win Commander second episode of win Commander Academy then win Commander one with various episodes of Academy intialized um that would be a fun Marathon someday too some mines for no reason make me waste a little bit after bur fuel well there's a froy good cramp fav

567. 08:23:25

     I ha R so much anything else would be better here we're also facing off against the toughest AI of the game at this point uh what the game calls level five AI there's level six in uh six is in Ace or in secret missions 2 something called the dra ey which are the kath the Imperial Guard which get embedded with various units and are even tougher to kill um this was back when you could cheat AI pretty well uh you'd have to do things like uh so like a higher AI means more armor takes longer to kill that sort of thing uh more of them Target you once uh these days you know like stars it's much harder to do that today

568. 08:24:15

     and we're not and now I'll just sink this bonus

569. 08:25:21

     froy by the way the effective range for my Neutron guns my heavy hitter in the nose is 2,800 meters I have not been paying very well attention when there that's when I should not my sorry they my wing Mouse from all your from all the games who's your favorite wingman me I love angel in the original game Dooms Day yeah I can see toast loving doomsday his reaction to Friendly Fire I hate it when you do

570. 08:26:11

     that um think a specific oh you know what I do have a favorite Wing minutes in Wing command 3 um there is an array of extras red shirt wingmen um who you'll occasionally see in missions uh there's Mitchell there's Stig they you don't really pay attention to them they're like the background wingmen in this but they all have names and the one that appears the least but who has the best name of any wingman ever is uh bacon boy I hate

571. 08:26:59

     graa they're better than CR what is the plural of crank I don't know no one does it's probably just crank I will say you get used to having a throttle so you can throttle up and down

572. 08:27:47

     very very quickly uh you kind of when you don't you kind of use your after Runners and that's why I keep hitting things in these missions yeah You' been really bad really bad today it's embarrassing to sit next to you doing this bad uh this is the last mission guys so at

573. 08:30:14

     the end of this will be the end of the stream and we'll give away the we'll do a raffle give away for the sign copy of the original game in box with all of his contents and a version on God that you the one last giveaway go there last brother is a yes it is and I know the killing him is going to spawn away with something else JY should be CR salty so

574. 08:31:02

     bad some salty kill me now you your targeting upu what's wrong it broke the target TR that's happened only we haven't dropped below 900 since we started kind of cool figured we get like seven no we PE we peaked it just over 1,200 we had about 1250 for a

575. 08:31:52

     while I don't know who you people are but I like you cheers everyone he said not real realizing his middle finger was extended on his cup sorry didn't mean that Real Deal Real Deal cheers to everyone iie sorry I think we'll absolutely do the December 5th yeah yeah it would be a lot of fun Hi man where we secret missions one oh assuming something work rated isn't on yeah that's true it's

576. 08:32:45

     true draw thing of course yeah for all of you guys asking about Windows 10 we're doing this whole thing on a on a Windows 10 computer so it's able to run dosbox we're running uh Wing commander on it we're doing the xsplit live stream which was running a Starfield in the background until the video ended no December 5th not December 25th December 5th the Oney year anniversary of the uh mink Commander secret missions release probably the next time we'll do

577. 08:33:51

     this you don't want me to you don't want me to sign the wing Commander box I didn't have any anything to do with it I appreciate the sentiment though but you leave it to the people who actually made the game maybe we'll put a note inside and sign that that seems fair okay music you have any weapons left I have

578. 08:34:41

     two lasers and that what draw the or dra the maybe 50% oh there's two though I also have no fuel okay this might go on a little longer than uh what did I teach in high school I taught Fine Arts uh acting uh drama and dance as well as audition technique and when I used to sub for a lot of other

579. 08:35:30

     people it was a Performing Arts High School uh you ever seen like fame or High School Musical it was one of those high schools that's what I taught taking it down whittling it down with lasers the question is this take longer

580. 08:36:22

     than restarting the mission starst is a tough nut to crack um I actually did an interpretive dance in the middle of the best man's speech at one of my brothers weddings just a thoroughly embarrassing the video was online for a while and then somebody stole it offline and put it on a DVD of greatest best man speeches that he then sold the people who were nervous about their best man speech so they could see a bunch of things and steal from it I didn't make any money off of it cuz you stole it offline it was online back in the

581. 08:37:10

     Myspace days two guns shot off no front rear or side armor computer lock doesn't work but I've made it home dramatic only question is do I get the Peter planet or not do you get a what do I get the metal or not the Medal of Honor I'm pretty sure I missed at least one kill I think one of the CRS hit another crant and blew it up glad to see you made it back alive sir that's the worst possible one well you don't have the poop smear this time though you got the hole in the side but you don't have the poop smear all right for the last

582. 08:37:58

     time congratulations Bandit you just finished the karrai and Vega sector thank you sir we were very lucky no false modesty major you're entitled to be proud of what you've done I suppose it was pretty impressive wasn't it sir I'd say so you're the guest of honor at a little ceremony upstairs in consideration of his

583. 08:38:47

     valorous service to humanity meeting the forces of the Confederation against the empire of KRA gu really dragging it out taking a decisive role in the Vegas campaign not getting caught with your kill down and command to the Squadron which accomplished the pivotal victory appar just pil it on here dude in the Venice system honor all this you still can't tell him

584. 08:39:35

     when it happened the tan Confederation is proud to present the tan medal of valor to yay you're not a short of the medal after this Mission you basically have to kill almost almost everything in that last mission order history shall number you among the greatest heroes of humanity oh that's cool with the ring around it and everything yeah comp Planet that's a pretty cool Metal by the way the ones missing is when you get rejected good job Bandit congratulations we should tell uh uh if you think about making the making up the medals that's what we told him already that that's a cool one yeah thank you sir fellows destroying the remains of the

585. 08:40:34

     kraay naval power in the sector the Tiger's claw closes in for kill and the last kill Wy planet in the sector Falls enges that have that's a good question we did it that was win Commander one woo yay your reward 10 years and insistent security we got a couple secret missions before that secret missions um yeah actually does so it's a different number the in-game model the

586. 08:41:21

     cuts scene one and the drawing in the manual have different numbers of engines I didn't even know that I just saw it and was like wow that's an awful lot of which one has the most engines I believe that that one I was going to say that seemed like an awful lot of engines the end peun for now oh that's it everybody all right guys I'm going to switch us back to Y starting the lasts message all right there all right let me switch the back here need your hand all right the raffle is open guys so go ahead and enter the raffle ENT the raffle for our last prize night wing

587. 08:42:15

     inbox pristine shrink wrapped for its entire existence open today so Chris Roberts can sign it look at that has all of its contents a pristine claw claw marks magazine all the uh the blueprints and uh and I'll even include a special note from Ben and I inside we won't sign the box that should be Chris we'll include a note inside won't tell you what you what it says until you get it and if you wondered what Ben's doing right now he's checking Star Wars card Trader maybe a mystical card rle rle rle okay let's guy see box yeah I actually don't see a message from he says he said it three times Who Running guns waffle all right well if you're

588. 08:43:06

     talking WAFF just get address ra ra while while that's happening we'll let that go for a bit I'd like to thank you all guys all for tuning in um that was a I I just had a great time it was it was really cool the re at wi Commander one um I hope my flying skills uh sufficed and uh I I'd love to do this again very soon uh we'll do secret missions end of the year uh which is much more of a challenge uh back then DLC wasn't more of the same it was this is only for really really hardcore players um we'll play around with dosbox so we don't get some of that uh low Drop frame rate because all the missions and secret missions have a lot of Fighters so uh this is uh it's going to be good

589. 08:43:56

     um but that's Wing Commander I it's tremendously important game uh certainly for my life but I think for game development in general uh thank you to everybody who called in Dennis Lu uh Chris Reed um Joe G uh wolf Knight thank you for the pizzas um uh Chris Chris Roberts for stopping by of course uh Lando for putting this all together we would do this is all him the the all the graph graic the package making all this work as all all just go Lander right here toast and Ally for coming down and sitting through this um toast got it I'm sure Ally I'm sorry to waste your Saturday but I I hope you all had a good time I certainly did uh that was a much needed uh Victory are are your fingernails all

590. 08:44:46

     covered in blue is everything is covered in blue my joystick hand hurts like hell uh H that was a good time you can take turns next time absolutely uh I tried turning off slow mode just now so that so you know everybody can make sure we get everybody in it won't turn off so honest it won't turn off oh did it finally do it the room is no longer in slow mode all right so we'll just do this make sure everybody can get their raffle in yes Epic curasawa 2 run Ben thank you I was very proud of that Venice 4 also one one try no wingman yeah no it was very know they know wi me is kind of a my own fault but uh I feel bad about how dying I don't and that that's what winky matter one does to you you you you come

591. 08:45:34

     to like these people you want them to survive uh I don't know why I can't do an Australian I can't even like bring it up in my head away maybe it was I was too much was too far into my who was the guy I was doing Hunter Hunter no no the the main guy Colonel h Colonel Housey maybe I was too far into Colonel Housey and I couldn't come back up far enough because all my voices kind of sounded the same I I wouldn't I went way in on Colonel Housey and I couldn't pull back up so all right we'll let it go for a little bit longer there's still people entering probably entering more than once you can't tell but remember guys it only counts once so yeah all right give it we'll give it

592. 08:46:21

     one more minute start the time or now uh by the way just U Want To Remember two of the win Commander one staff who have passed away since this game was released 25 years ago Aaron Austin editor of the incredible claw marks manual and John Watson one of the artists um it's it's a shame when people die young of course but these tremendously creative people who just had a huge impact on gaming history and uh so and good people too they they were all friends uh of Chris's of mine everybody here uh so I'm not trying to bum us all at the end but I wanted to pay a little tribute to them um and hopefully next time we do this there will not be anyone to add to that list and I'd like to thank you colonel hian colonel houseing colonel house I'd

593. 08:47:13

     like to thank you Colonel house you did a good job Peter house Peter Peter is this name Peter Peter I was playing a guy named Peter all right that's the end we're close closing up the raffle raffle is closed guys so give Vanna White this will I pick the winner no okay the winner of the signed Mint Condition Wing Commander original PC game on 3.5 discs and a Gog Edition that you can actually play on your computer is Community I'm kidding Sun Jammers

594. 08:48:02

     congratulations sunjammers you're the winner of wing Commander so send us a private message to cig community on the twitch chat uh you're going to need to include your mailing address in this one and uh we'll get that shipped to you as soon as we can but one other thing I'd like to point out as look at this box um all these mocker screenshots from what you see is what you play they're full of stuff that's not in the game there's not a v that looks like that all the weapons have different names it's it's much earlier version uh so just pointing that out cool all right so yeah sunjammers be sure you message us get us your uh get us your uh mailing address and if for any reason uh you don't hear anything back in a day or two apparently we're having uh there might be an issue with the message uh message me through this Star Citizen website look at you taken

595. 08:48:51

     care of the reason for the what you see is what you play is because no one believe that a game would look like this when it came out so they came with this campaign like what you're seeing is what's in it cool all that's it yeah that's it thank you guys I I had a lot of fun I hope you guys did too um we'll see you real soon we'll be back to start season stuff next week uh we'll see you then the Endeavor lots of cool stuff coming uh and we can't wait for season Connie there so I'm Jared Huckaby I'm Ben Lesnik I'm Alexis and that's a cool Space Mountain shirt I never saw that shirt before you've been wearing that all day yeah also you live together also we live together guys take it easy